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    Re: MoP Holy Paladin Healing Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Kromus_ View Post
    I hope you are also using skada (tracks healing among other things) and left click on your name once you are in healing done tab) this will give a break down of per spell healing total per fight. It also may be a misplaced light'a hammer in which it wasn't under anyone.
    msbt was just no catching it. I went back and tested it in heroics today and it was doing an assload of healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ltranger View Post
    msbt was just no catching it. I went back and tested it in heroics today and it was doing an assload of healing.
    MSBT can be wierd at times. I notice sometimes it picks up healing (or damage dealt) and sometimes it doesn't. I often wonder if it just gets overwhelmed at times and just ignores some output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theotherone View Post
    MSBT can be wierd at times. I notice sometimes it picks up healing (or damage dealt) and sometimes it doesn't. I often wonder if it just gets overwhelmed at times and just ignores some output.
    By default, I believe, it will put together some smaller events...there are settings for all of it.
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    That makes sense Ion, I'll take a look. Thanks.

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    Hello Kromus,

    I am making this message because I've read all your guide and I think it's a good one and it's explained well the way you think of how to use a holy paladin. Unfortunatly i cannot apply this guide because i am in a special situation. But I would like to know what you think about the situation I am in and maybe with your experience you could be of some help ?

    I got a disipline priest in my core 10 man and I had intented to make my holy paladin more like a counter to big incomming damage.

    Priority stats: Intelligence, Spirit, Haste and mastery~critical strike.

    For the talent i changed some because your way to explained it show me that I was wrong:

    Tier 3 eternal flame
    Tier 4 clemency
    Tier 5 divine purpose for the mana effiency (because i am always mana hungry)
    and i change recently my tier 6 from holy prism to light's hammer.

    Major Glyph
    divine plea to be instant and not over time mana regen
    the flash of light to heal the next target for a additionnal 10 % for the next 7 sec.
    and the lay on hand mana recovery.

    For the gear
    Here is a link to see what i have achieve on my caracter for now ( I hope it will work and show you my sheet on mrrobot, fingercrossed):http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/b...4-27e01050c2b3

    I would like to have your opinion on my situation and I would like to get more explanation regarding the balance and advantage for the mastery versus the haste.

    Would it be better if I reforge all for mastery ?

    To make it short I plane to make a paladin for the situation bellow, to buy a little time for a tank and one or two dps to finish the boss who is at 1 or 2 % of dying.

    Or do you have some tips to help me be more like : well we are in deep s**t the damage will kill us. the paladin say: NNNNOOOO not while I am alive and succeed to give like 10 or 20 sec more that would be enough to kill the big bad a*s raid boss that we are struck at 1 or 2 % hp ?

    Thank you for taking the time to read me. And thank you for anything you will say in the futur.

    Lifegatherer

    P.S. sorry for the spelling or any mistake of grammar english is my second language.
    Last edited by Lifegatherer; 04-17-2013 at 06:07 PM.

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    Hello,

    I really need you to format your post as it is a chunk of text that is not readable for anyone

    Once you fix the post I'll answer any questions you may have!

    Thanks,

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    Hello Kromus

    Thank you for the quick reply and job done ! XD

    got a problem when I tried to send it.

    Lifegatherer

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    Mastery > Haste as Mastery directly affects out healing throughput via the bubble that is the direct % of mastery to % of your direct heal on a person (I sit at 32.67% mastery currently while going for my 3506 haste rating in 25m raiding, other wise it goes to 39% mastery). That means you are healing for nMastery% more with every direct heal, where haste is only going to make your casts faster and have one haste breakpoint (3506).

    Looking at your gear you are not high enough iLvl to be looking at haste. I would advise reforging everything into mastery if the slot already has spirit as you are going to be oom very fast at that early stage of gearing.

    Holy Paladins are very useful with all of their utilites, focus on your hand of (insert name here) spells including purity which is unbelievable in ToT as almost every boss has periodical damage (which is reduced by 80% while purity is up and all other damage by 10%).

    Lay on Hands, our direct healing and holy power really makes us a desirable class to have as we have very high throughput on single target, have MANY OH SHIT buttons, and can 2 heal beside a disc priest without being a nub.

    Hope this helps!

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    hello kromus,

    Thank you for the piece of advice here. I clearly skip a step and i will change that. And thank for the hand of purity I will use it. Also i was always oom in my 10 man I didn't had enough mp5 to regain the mana for a holy light if I was casting it non stop.

    I will try to gear more and when I will reach the same peak as you I will think about the haste break point.You tips were of good help and I will look forward for more raiding !!!!

    lifegatherer

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    MoP Holy Paladin Healing Guide

    Kromus (I believe that's your name), how large are the bubbles able to get going straight mastery? When I hadn't reformed at all, they were capping out at 102k roughly, and even with reforging to haste, they're still close if not equal. I would post a link to my armory, but I'm at work right now and on my cell.

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    The Illuminated Healing stacks on top of the old one you casted (meaning it is not counter productive to have 2 holy paladins in the group) and will cap out at 1/3 of YOUR max health. This is designed so that we cannot place an infinite bubble on the raid. The higher mastery rating will simply make your bubbles hit their cap faster. (So getting fortitude during a raid is a MUST).

    Hope this explains it.
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    hey kromus, ty for your guide it's very helpful but I'm having some issues on healing...

    After 3 year playing wow, it's my first time healing and after a few raids with my friends (a disc priest and a resto druid) I'm pulling 40k~50k hps while them get 70k+...so I think I'm missing some important points on heal priority, like:

    - how many times I should use AW, DF, that angel (forgot the name sry) in a fight? It's on cd (one at time) or I keep for important moments? how I know when is the better time for these skills?

    - should I use holy light while healing the raid or is better heal with divine light for mastery shield? (in both cases using holy shock on cd and EF with 3 holy power)

    - What do you think about using crusader strike to generate holy power and just heal with holy shock and EF?

    If you can help me I'll be very grateful!

    p.s.: sorry for some spelling errors or is difficult to understand what I meant, english is not my mother language and I'm typing from a cellphone lol

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    Link your character, any parses and I'll look at it, I can't tell what is going on without these pieces of info.Thanks!
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    Ok Kromus!

    this is my toon http://us.battle.net/wow/pt/character/azralon/Naitadin/simple

    I
    'm gonna raid later and then will post parses for you analyze.

    Ty for your time!

    Edit: Here's my lei shi kill http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3287&e=3652
    Last edited by naitee; 04-18-2013 at 07:39 PM. Reason: adding parser

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    Your gear checks out, however look at my guide regarding your talent and glyph choices. Also I haven't received parses yet.Kromus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kromus_ View Post
    Your gear checks out, however look at my guide regarding your talent and glyph choices. Also I haven't received parses yet.Kromus
    I editei my last post with a fight, isn't good these parser from WoL or you need from another source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by naitee View Post
    I editei my last post with a fight, isn't good these parser from WoL or you need from another source?
    Looking at your parse it is right in line with other Holy Paladins, Disc priests are still holding the number one spot in straight healing, look at your over healing, in total healing done you blow the disc priest out of the water but the bubbles will count as heals before damage is actually done.

    IE: Keep up the good work!
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    Hi! First post on here!

    I'm currently in a raid team that has 9/12 normal progression in ToT, I have recently swapped from the T14 4 set bonus to 522 to upgrade, and I'm not quite sure why but my numbers don't seem to have changed much (gone down at times!), I'm making sure to use Holy Shock often but I'm still getting used to the extra 2 seconds it has now.

    I was just looking for general advice really, my guild's team 1 (I am in team 2) does not currently have a Holy Pallie so I thought I'd look around the web!

    I've noticed your comments regarding when its best to gem pure spirit and I'm thinking that I might need to change, I do feel like I'm running a little low sometimes, though that may be an overhealing issue.

    Perhaps you could help with just general advice?

    Armoury: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/saurfang/Orcitent/advanced

    Some Parses:

    -- With t14 4 set --
    Megaera : http://worldoflogs.com/reports/wryb5...=27561&e=28020

    -- Without t14 --
    Megaera: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/4o8ge...?s=5145&e=5584

    Primordius (Tank n' Spank tactic): http://worldoflogs.com/reports/4o8ge...=11879&e=12293

    Dark Animus: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/4o8ge8wqcwyorqso/sum/healingDone/?s=16548&e=16967

    **edit**

    -- From Yesterday --
    Council: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/34w556osk6ni122g/sum/healingDone/?s=6434&e=6964

    Tortos: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/34w556osk6ni122g/sum/healingDone/?s=8709&e=9026

    Megaera: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/34w55...s=9890&e=10421

    Hope there's not too many parses there but.. I guess the more there is the easier it is to see where I'm going wrong? At this point I just cant see what I'm missing...Thanks for taking the time to read through and look at this post, I look forward to reading any comments and criticisms that you find!
    Last edited by Orcitent; 04-25-2013 at 08:03 AM.

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    Hey there. Recently, we ended up with a second Holy Paladin (Our third healer is a Disc Priest- typically she's holy). This guy is less geared than I am- I'm talking raid finder stuff.

    However his HPS is much higher than mine and that seems to be all my guild really cares about are the flat numbers. I was wondering if you'd be able to give me any suggestions or something. I don't have any parses unforunately.

    My armory link:
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nordrassil/Ennstiel/advanced

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    or comparison, his:
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nordrassil/Brisplated/advanced

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    ny help would be greatly appreciated!! I was toying with the idea of going haste, or even -gasp- Crit, but I just wanted to get some opinions! I asked the other paladin what he was doing and his only response was "healing stuff", so that isn't helpful WHATSOEVER.

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