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    Im so confused on CTC?

    Ive been reading on different sites for what this means, but i must be a little slow because i just don't understand what they mean by it? I just reforged my gear and i still dont think its right. Any help on what i could improve would be great.

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    CTC = Combat Table Coverage

    The combat table is the different types of results that can occur on an attack. For a physical melee swing, the type of attack most often referred to from a tanking perspective you have the following results (as a defender).

    Miss
    Dodge
    Parry
    Block
    Normal Hit

    I'll exclude the events of Glancing Blow, Crushing Blow, and Critical Strike for simplicity as these won't apply at level cap in PvE content for a properly speced tank (and aren't sitting on the job). Each of the events on the combat table reach a grand total of 100%. Every time the boss takes a swing at you there is 100% chance of one of these events occuring. However, the higher some events get, the later events end up being reduced as a result.

    For simplicity sake, lets say you have 5% chance to be missed, 10% dodge, 10% parry, and 30% block... then the mob attacking you has a 45% chance of landing a normal hit. If you increase your block to 40%, the chance of a normal hit landing on you is reduced to 35%. Effectively by increasing the likelihood of a block occuring, you reduced the likelihood of the lower priority event (normal hit) from occuring.

    This is where the concept of Combat Table Coverage (CTC) comes into play. By increasing one thing, you decrease the likelihood of another. Full CTC occurs when it is no longer possible for you to be hit by a normal hit (miss, dodge, parry, and block "covered" the full set of possibilities).

    How do you maximize your CTC?
    Mostly by increasing your chance to block. Dodge and Parry do contribute as well, however because Dodge and Parry suffer from deminishing returns (each point of Dodge Rating or Parry Rating is worth slightly less than the prior point). Block however doesn't have this bahavior and you can increase Block by increasing your Mastery and it continues to grow at the same rate until you reach full CTC (once Miss, Dodge, Parry, and Block total 100% of all attacks on you, getting more Block will have no effect).

    Reforging and Gemming
    Until you reach full CTC, Mastery is your highest valued stat as a Protection Paladin. Simply put, any piece of gear that doesn't have Mastery on it will likely have a stat reforged into Mastery. If Mastery is already on the item, then you would likely only reforge the item to minimize the effect of deminishing returns on Dodge and Parry (ideally you want Dodge and Parry to be extremely close because they both deminish at the same rate, if you have significantly more of one then you would get more total avoidance by swapping some of it to the other). Gemming will almost exclusively favor Mastery.

    The "Real" Numbers
    Sadly after explaining all of that, now I get to explain the number 102.4% which you may find referred to quite often. For every level an opponent is higher than yourself, you lose 0.2% chance of any of your defensive events from occuring. So if you are fighting a raid boss, the chance to be missed which is 5% normally is reduced to 4.4% because a raid boss is considered three levels higher than you. This same reduction of 0.6% happens to Dodge, Parry, and Block as well.
    4 * 0.6% = 2.4%
    Since you effectively lose 2.4% chance of your defensive events occuring (Miss, Dodge, Parry, and Block), you need to get 2.4% more of them to have full CTC against a raid boss. So when you total up your Miss, Dodge, Parry, and Block (when fully raid buffed) you are actually shooting for the number 102.4%.
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    You can also use some addons or even a macro to check your CTC. For example here is a macro which will show you your CTC and Avoidance against a raid boss. It takes into account level difference so you want to shoot for 100% when fully raid buffed.
    Code:
    /run ld,d,p,b,m=0.2*-3,GetDodgeChance(),GetParryChance(),GetBlockChance(),5 DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(format("CTC: %.2f%%  Avoidance: %.2f%%",d+p+b+m+ld*4,d+p+m+ld*3))
    *This macro only applies to a non Night Elf shield tank.
    Last edited by Quinafoi; 02-23-2012 at 07:29 AM. Reason: macro fixed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinafoi View Post
    *This macro only applies to a non Night Elf shield tank.
    For a night elf i believe you just change the 5 to a 7. No Biggie.

    Anyway, so big technical explanation taken care of:
    Dodge% + Parry% + Block% + 5% = 102.4 = WIN
    As a Paladin you will want to get this as exact as possible with full raid buffs (kings/motw, str shout/horn/totem, food buff) due to you having no benefit from having "excess CTC". Warriors can be a little more relaxed about it due to having a crit block mechanic, but really in either case, anything over 102.5 is just lazy reforging. I'd see if i could help you out with some reforge advice, but you logged in Holy =/

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    If you want to see how changing your stats would work out without spending money on gems and reforging, check out my spreadsheet (link in signature). At the bottom you can enter custom values (so to change a gem from green to blue, you would enter -20 into the mastery box)

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    I have a question, why is it when I use the copy/pasted Macro:
    Code:
    /run ld,d,p,b,m=0.2*3,GetDodgeChance(),GetParryChance(),GetBlockChance(),5 DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(format("CTC: %.2f%%  Avoidance: %.2f%%",d+p+b+m+ld*4,d+p+m+ld*3))
    It tells me my CTC is currently 101.61% however if I use your spreadsheet it says I am at 99.21%? If I manually add my Dodge (16.34%) + Parry (16.81%) + Block (61.06%) + Miss (5%) = 99.21% so I would guess that is right, but then why does the macro disagree?

    Thanks!

    EDIT: I just realized I am a moron and the difference is the Macro needs to reach 102.4% whereas the spreadsheet needs to reach 100%. So 102.4 - 101.61 = .79 which is the same thing as 100 - 99.21 = .79 haha

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    No, you're not a moron. I did make a mistake in that. When I tweaked it from the dynamic version (the other form actually considers variable target levels) to make it more rigid I accidentally made it so that you are three levels higher than the boss...

    /cast [@face] palm

    Here is the corrected form.

    Code:
    /run ld,d,p,b,m=0.2*-3,GetDodgeChance(),GetParryChance(),GetBlockChance(),5 DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(format("CTC: %.2f%%  Avoidance: %.2f%%",d+p+b+m+ld*4,d+p+m+ld*3))
    Last edited by Quinafoi; 02-23-2012 at 09:21 AM.
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    Bear druid require CTC or not?

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    What profession can increase CTC?

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    Any one that can add Mastery, Dodge or Parry, I think it comes down to Blacksmithing, JC and maybe Alchemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagezero View Post
    Any one that can add Mastery, Dodge or Parry, I think it comes down to Blacksmithing, JC and maybe Alchemy.
    Mastery is important for Protection Paladin more than Bear Druid right?

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    *Slaps the wrists of everyone involved for Necro*

    To answer your question Bernoulliuz. Yes and No. It depends on the gearing stage of the 2 classes involved. Let's start with Bear for simplicity's sake: Mastery is always good, though at most points not as good as other stats. But it never loses it's value completely.
    A Paladin on the other hand, wants to stack mastery above EVERYTHING else while trying to reach full CTC. Once this point is reached, and MAINTAINED, more mastery becomes useless.

    Answer your question?

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