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    Fire of the Deep trinket or the valor neck as a first buy?

    I was looking at fire of the deep and the valor neck to buy first, but can't decide which I want to get. I was figuring get the neck and hoping for soulshifter vortex or one of those trinkets to drop in DS, but I know my luck on drops so probably would never get it lol.

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    Both are good upgrades, I can see why you're torn. The trinket, however, in your 13 slot is technically for DPS although strength is good for tanking as well, just not as good as say, dodge. I think in your shoes I'd go for the trinket first.
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    My two cents, but I ended up going with the cloak first. Unfortunately we don't have any Strength tanking cloak drops in Dragon Soul, so I justified the purchase by thinking that this item was not going to be replaced by anything in this current patch. My Valor Point strategy is usually "What can I buy that won't be replaced right away/at all", then move to "items I can upgrade that I won't be replacing soon (IE: boss drops we haven't reached yet)."


    Plus the cloak is badass looking. I just wish it was itemized a little better
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    yeah I've been thinking the same thing outbackjack so I think i'll go for the cloak (using agi cloak with 2 red sockets from firelands right now ha) because it's our only option, then trinket (i don't have a good mastery trinket since i never finished BH rep), and then finally the neck. The rest of the gear while enticing and clear upgrades, will inevitably be replaced by tier gear because at least for tanking, raid wide shield wall is too strong of a cd to NOT get.

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    Before you buy the cloak, there's a 378 that drops on the first boss in Hour of Twilight what is pretty sweet mastery wise (as is the shield off the second boss; not that it ever drops when I'm on my pally or warrior).

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=72854 = Hour of Twilight

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=77099 = Vendor

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    I managed to farm everything out of those dungeons, very nice upgrades for the most part, especially for the slots that couldn't be upgraded with tier pieces from JP/VP.
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    I guess I'll just save valors a bit more til I can decide.

    Also, I ran my toon through Rawr and why is it having to gem ALL mastery past the block cap o.o. In the optimized side it says avoid+block 104.5%. I'm trying to figure that out why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theotherone View Post
    Before you buy the cloak, there's a 378 that drops on the first boss in Hour of Twilight what is pretty sweet mastery wise (as is the shield off the second boss; not that it ever drops when I'm on my pally or warrior).

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=72854 = Hour of Twilight

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=77099 = Vendor
    That's an Okay cloak indeed but it's still miles behind the Vendor one, especially in the stam department.

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    I went with the neck first as it as the largest upgrade for me out of the 3 BiS valor pieces (Neck, Cloak, Ranged). The cloak will be next and I probably won't worry to much about the ranged weapon off the bat and pick up the upgrades that I've been having trouble picking up from there.

    Also working on buying the boots on an alt and trading them over... haven't decided on the bracers yet though cause they seem to be really terrible.

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    I got the trinket first but already got the 391 neck from firelands which is still BiS cause of the insanely massive strength budget on the vp neck. Ring and cloak next for me

    Bracers are terrible yeah might grab the boots if ultraxion is stubborn.

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    Re: Fire of the Deep trinket or the valor neck as a first buy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Takethecake View Post
    I went with the neck first as it as the largest upgrade for me out of the 3 BiS valor pieces (Neck, Cloak, Ranged). The cloak will be next and I probably won't worry to much about the ranged weapon off the bat and pick up the upgrades that I've been having trouble picking up from there.

    Also working on buying the boots on an alt and trading them over... haven't decided on the bracers yet though cause they seem to be really terrible.
    BS bracers are BiS

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    I'm thinking Cloak > Neck > Ring > Trinket > Belt > Misc non-set items for the slots that refuse to drop for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrous View Post
    BS bracers are BiS
    really? gemming both 50 mastery, I still see http://www.wowhead.com/item=78390 comming out on top equal dodge%parry (reforging should all around make these two about equal worth imo) 2 more mastery on the heroic bracers, aswell as more str. stamina and armor...
    or were we talking pre-heroics?

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    HC Zon'ozz bracers>crafted bracers>normal Zon'ozz bracers

    What selendis said

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    Another thing that frankly scared the heck out of me. There is a mastery/hit cloak from the valor points vendor. 1 socket and similar stam compared to the tanking cloak, reforging the hit on this to parry makes it a significantly better ctc piece than the tanking cloak. (meaning one would get closer to replacing a trinket for stam...).
    Please someone tell me I missed something obvious. http://www.wowhead.com/item=77098 (Nanoprecise cloak)
    Last edited by Selendis; 12-08-2011 at 01:17 AM. Reason: none=/=nano

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    I opted for the neck first, given that I didn't ever get to upgrade my Firelands neck. But after reading this thread and re-doing the math, I went back and switched to the cloak. The decider for me was the socket - since it's BIS it seemed like a perfect home for an epic yellow gem.

    I refuse to wear an int cloak. No matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selendis View Post
    Another thing that frankly scared the heck out of me. There is a mastery/hit cloak from the valor points vendor. 1 socket and similar stam compared to the tanking cloak, reforging the hit on this to parry makes it a significantly better ctc piece than the tanking cloak. (meaning one would get closer to replacing a trinket for stam...).
    Please someone tell me I missed something obvious. http://www.wowhead.com/item=77098 (Nanoprecise cloak)
    Itīs an INT cloak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akolon View Post
    Itīs an INT cloak
    Hence wy the idea scares the crap out of me.
    But it's not like the agi on the previous BiS cloak was useful, so the argument "it has int" doesn't dismiss it so easily I'm thinking...

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    Interesting idea, the int cloak has way more budget into int then the other cloak in strength though.

    271 parry+127 expertise+186 strength vs. 166 hit+173 mastery
    With reforging and converting strength into parry you would end up with
    323 parry+50mastery vs. 173 mastery+66 parry
    or 257 parry vs. 123 mastery
    Strength cloak is superior even though it has less mastery

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    This was what I meant when I asked for someone to find my mistake, thank you

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