I agree Tengen, as you've no doubt guessed I've come at this from a different direction. I can't fault your thinking on that one and I've had the same conversation with my raid leader waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day. It was all intentioned helpful stuff, but then he was a prot war helping out another prot war.

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but our "core obligations" aren't very challenging;
I think that's true for the DPS as well. It is what we do on top of that which provides the challenge and keeps the game interesting. I find encounters as frustrating as hell when there isn't really much I can do beyond our "cor obligations" and "core mechanics" to help the raid. Heroic Shannox is a good example of that if you're the Riplimb tank. Basically you just stay alive, make sure you drop the dot off yourself and the shannox tank and thats it. Sure you can DPS your heart out on Riplimb, but it doesn't do any good. It's wasted effort (unless you're practising your rotation ofc).