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    CTC on Baleroc 25 HM

    I am getting fairly confused with CTC on Baleroc. We are using a two tank strat, with me prot warrior tanking the boss and our druid OT decimation. I am block capped for this fight. But I keep taking about 6% in unmitigated white hits. I have looked through WoL and I can not find a single warrior or paladin who has not taken unmitigated melee on this fight. Any idea why this is happening?

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    Hmm i don't get it. You say you're "block capped" thus you're only capable of avoiding regular melee hits during shield block uptime. Or am i mistaken here? Just a quick glance at the top 5 ranked warriors:

    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-qa...?s=1368&e=1735
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ez...?s=9545&e=9912
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-mm...?s=8818&e=9158
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-um...=13678&e=14023
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-o4...?s=4003&e=4367

    All of them eating some regular hits. For paladin.. a friend of mine is passively "unhittable" but only with a certain trinket/elixir setup. But he prefers using valiona trinket on this fight for avoiding additional Decimating Strikes over an unhittable setup and looking around a lot of tanks think in a similar way (well to be fair especially on 10m).

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    Our paladin has the same problem. Blockcapped but taking some unblocked hits.(normal mode btw) Seems the boss has expertise.

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    Blockcapped as in full 102.4% coverage. Seems to be a combination of how WoL counts absorbs and someting strange happening on top of that.

    Thread on Tankadin:

    http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...hp?f=6&t=31883
    Last edited by kopcap; 07-28-2011 at 08:58 AM.

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    One of the things I think I've observed before is an oddity with Baleroc and decimation blade. If you look in detail at a decimation blade, you'll always see a few melee swing dodges, in addition to the decimation blade. It appears that there is something specific to the implementation of decimation blade that's been coded to make the blades work. Now according to the maintankadin thread, the hits they are seeing aren't clustered around decimation blade, so this could be a red herring... but as someone that's worked in IT, when I see something that's been customised (the melee swings being dodged) and I hear about something similar that's not working as expected, I smell bug! Perhaps also something to do with him being a dual wielder?

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    Well he's saying he's not taking during decimation blade.

    Do you have a way of pushing further over the block cap to see if the number of unmitigated hits is still around 6%?
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    I could get another percent or so if I went all out on gems and dropped TB for rep trinket again, but not much beyond that. Can't do this now since we are on progression, so hopefully next week.

    About 90% of those unmitigated hits are actually full absorbs, thats how WoL counts them. The discrepancy after discounting full absorbs seems to be about 0.6% in my case, happened 4 times in about 700 swings last night.
    Last edited by kopcap; 07-29-2011 at 07:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggathon View Post
    Well he's saying he's not taking during decimation blade.
    Yes, as I said this could be a red herring, but if there is X piece of custom code for a boss which makes some of hits 'always be dodged', it seems entirely feasible that this piece of code might also (probably unintentionally) result in hits which unbalance the combat table. If you look at the exact sequence of events, are you able to see whether these phantom 'hits' are occurring soon before or after a blade change (decimation or inferno)?

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    Ya, i was gonna say just try it on only baleroc, eliminate as many variables as possible.
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    3 examples of weird stuff going on, first 2 are unblocked hits seems to happen to inferno blade and regular hits. 3rd one dead by decimation blade while at 100% hp. We improved our healing and easily kill him on normal mode now but its still strange.

    [23:05:50.656] Baleroc Inferno Strike Lusi 107671 (A: 4793, B: 112465, R: 27769)
    [23:05:53.218] Baleroc Inferno Strike Lusi 93782 (A: 1733, B: 40935, R: 81220)
    [23:05:55.687] Baleroc Inferno Strike Lusi 83751 (O: 75032, R: 55133)
    [23:05:55.921] Lusi dies

    [23:42:49.968] Baleroc hits Lusi 71626 (A: 14045, B: 85671)
    [23:42:51.156] Baleroc hits Lusi Dodge
    [23:42:53.578] Baleroc hits Lusi 208573 (A: 2077, B: 210650)
    [23:42:54.828] Baleroc hits Lusi 81015 (B: 81015)
    [23:42:56.000] Baleroc hits Lusi 378146 (O: 25930)
    [23:42:56.687] Lusi dies


    Other strange thing death by decimation blade while at 100% hp, didn't had the tormented debuff.

    [23:40:40.968] Quinty Lifebloom Lusi +*0* (O: 2746)
    [23:40:41.265] Liesa Beacon of Light Lusi +0 (O: 5762)
    [23:40:41.578] Kragor Lifebloom Lusi +0 (O: 1291)
    [23:40:41.859] Quinty Lifebloom Lusi +*0* (O: 2746)
    [23:40:42.000] Haiden Beacon of Light Lusi +0 (O: 2297)
    [23:40:42.312] Kragor Lifebloom Lusi +*0* (O: 2581)
    [23:40:42.468] Baleroc Decimating Strike Lusi 216253 (O: 2073, A: 31674)
    [23:40:42.843] Lusi dies

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    Swelt, I checked the logs. Only one of the hits happened immediately after the Decimation Blade, other 3 had no relation to neither Decimation nor Inferno.

    Bigdad, they all look fine. Inferno Strike can not be missed, so you need a few extra percent to push it off the table. The second death was after a rebirth hence missing food buff and possibly something else. Decimation killed you because you did not have enough stacks.
    Last edited by kopcap; 07-29-2011 at 08:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbad View Post

    Other strange thing death by decimation blade while at 100% hp, didn't had the tormented debuff.

    [23:40:42.000] Haiden Beacon of Light Lusi +0 (O: 2297)
    [23:40:42.312] Kragor Lifebloom Lusi +*0* (O: 2581)
    [23:40:42.468] Baleroc Decimating Strike Lusi 216253 (O: 2073, A: 31674)
    [23:40:42.843] Lusi dies
    Read the Spell description again. Decimation Blade deals 90% max health OR 250000 damage, whichever is higher. You took a decimation blade when under 250k life (probably with only one stack of the health buff), and died. 216253+2073+31674 = 250000.

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    Ah that explains it im offtanking it while the pally maintanks it but i'll let him take the first decimation hit before taunting guess he didnt have enough hp yet.

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    This is one thing that has been bantered about on my guild's forums, can you push the hits off the table with additional block? Since skull mobs reduce your miss to 4.4%, it would stand to reason that having at least 4.4% extra block would cover that. However in the last two weeks I've gotten unblocked hits and have been rediculously close to that extra 4%.

    While I recognize it could be just bad RNG; or it could be an intentional mechanic, I'm just looking for clarification.

    Although I'm pretty rife with bad RNG (now at 30+ bear runs and losing the roll) not to mention that hunter n00b Shannox has dropped daggers every week. It's so bad one priest has dual shankers and dual disgorgers.

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