Healing Assignment 10M H
i m a raidleader of a semi Hardcore 10m Raid. Our current Progression is 7/13 HM. We have 4 different and well geared heals. 1 of every class (priest is disc). Regarding HPS, in healing heavy fights, i can expect 15k hps from everyone.
As Raidleader i try to plan the whole tactic and raid assignments for the differenz fights. However i have a lack of knowledge regarding healing. I read many healing class guides, so i know how the different classes work. But at the end of the day, even i know how those classes heal, i cant predict how they peform... or what the best assignment would be.
I know, every 2. topic is about what class is the best tank or best healer. But i have to ask it too.
Please dont tell me that every class is viable (i know it!). What i m looking for is more a suggestion, how i can get the most out of the healer.
For example: My assignment for Magmaw (everyone in melee camp, 1 dk kiting adds, 1 ranged dps + 1 healing at range): Holy paladin beacon the MT and heal the offtank/raid, Druide healing the ranged and running with them and disci ... do everything else that isnt covered.
Imo, Paladins are great tank healers, but i think beacon is so strong, that i let him never tankheal.
Imo, Druid is the best healer for moving fights.
Disci... i dont know what he does, but noone dies
Another example might be our Disci priest. Even i read that Disci priest is considered one of the best Tankhealers. I see so much raidhealing coming from his "heal 1 battle group" skill (sry forgot the name), that i never assign him on tankhealing duty, just expecting some shields on him.
So what i m looking for is what classes you use for specific jobs and how you use class specific talents (i.e. beacon). Or what you consider when you do the healing assignment.
This is regarding hardmodes and cutting edge content. Like when you killed the bosses first time or what you could ve done better (even you killed them).
I really appreciate your comments.
I'd ask your healers what assignment they prefer. We regulary use our paladin on the tank/maintank because they lack decent aoe healing capabilities beside their fire&forget radiance+flashlight. Shaman shine on fights with a clustered raid (eg: Chimaeron during Feud, Al'Akir phase 2) with earthliving proccing from healing rain on everyone while disc priests prevent a lot of frontburst dps with shielding which works kind of detrimental to a rejuv spreading druid.
We regulary raid with paladin on tanks and resto shaman + disc priest foccused on raid.. our druid healing only on Sinestra for obvious reasons.
I'm going to echo what Klausi said. Ask your healers. However, might reasoning is a bit different. If you aren't healing, you don't exactly know what is going through the healers' minds. I would suggest that you have them take some initiative and organize themselves on what roles they will be taking. You don't need to micromanage your healers, even pushing hardmodes. Have faith that your healers know what they are doing, especially if they are as skilled as you say they are.
They should be easily able to decide who is doing what. You should only need to step in if they can't come to a consensus or there is something going really bad.
This also allows you to sit back a bit and look more at the larger picture while the specialists look at their specific fields.
I would also point out that while assignments are nice they are very rarely exclusive unless it is a heal intensive fight and they will need to be. For instance if I am raid healing on my druid I am sure I throw a heal the tanks way now and then cause I get into the mindset of if it is hurt fix it. If I am tank healing (rarely happened on my druid or my shamie but may on my priest) I tend to focus a bit more on the tank but if I have a free gcd and I know aoe is coming I may throw out something (prayer of healing is what you were thinking of btw) which will also heal the tank if I target his group and always procs divine aegis (the absorb that isn't power word shield).
Don’t get hung up on assignments certain classes are better at certain things (druids shamies holy priest shine in aoe disc can aoe but shine more on single target at times with holy palies) but that doesn't mean they can only do that and even if assigned that way if your healers are good and know the fights most likely wont only do that.
If working on progression I would assign healers or if you don’t have your usual group. but if you do ease the reigns off and just let them handle it internally (with heads up that they are of course) because a good healing team starts to know each others styles and can very often anticipate how the others work and heal more efficiently then any assignment can really do.
Hope that helped and made sense.
edit: also pro tip have the healers make thier own chanel (we did this when i was raiding naxx back in the day) it makes for fast assingment changes or quick discussion of what needs to be done. our tanks and raid leads sometimes liked to hang in there. Usually it was a place we quickly assinged things for fights while the raid talked about the boss and usually discussed how to deal with any mechanics that effected us. you get the idea
Thanks for your answers. Of course, i ve talked to them and i have a pretty good picture, what they think they are best in. And they are doing pretty well. Thats really not thre problem. I just want a second opinion/ a second view.
I know that i dont have to micro manage them. But being in the position, that i could do it and maybe remind them to some gimmicks. Maybe be able to setup a better Raidtactic, that supports the healers more.
I.E. our progress encounter is Al akir HM 10, with 3 healers (D Priest, Paladin, Druid) 1 Tank and DK offtank for adds. We struggle a bit on P1. But get every 5th attempt into p2 with all ppl alive. (which is ok atm, for me). In phase 2 we have a problem with killing the adds in time and having enough dps on the boss (but thats another story). However we can get a transition to p3 with 15-17 Stacks (paladins bubbling at 10 stack). The acctual problem is, that our healers going oom at about 40% boss hp. At this moment they are pushing arround 17-20k hps to stabalize the raid.
I tried to make life easier for them, with a 1 camp tactic (expect add tanking dk). But this isnt enough. I also dont know, whether i should bring the shaman for this fight.
I m sure we can get a kill with the taktic and the raidsetup. But i really cant judge, if a holy priest is better for suited for the situation... i mean the disci is at 20k hps O o. Or whether the druid or the shaman is better for raidhealing.
Atm i plan on letting the shaman die on purpose, so he can ankh and reset his stacks. While covering his downtime, with a raid CD. Also i dont know, whether the Paladin should his on his beacon for faster stacking his holy power and more flashlights. Or maybe let the Druid use his glyph for unlimited hot time, while target is under 50%.
Thanks for your help.
There are several different reliable tactics around 10m Al'Akir on heroic mode from pulling hero/lust in phase 1 and running with 4 healer over 3 healer and pulling hero at about 50% boss hitpoints (~ 5-6 stacks) up to having one people die instantly in phase 1 and getting battleressed to get some more room but having two tanks for 10 man.. that's the first time i read about that.
Originally Posted by arctus
Just solo tank it, this way you'll have a crapton of extra damage on the adds (from a tank with stacked vengeance) and way more dps on the boss from a free'd dps. I regulary deal one million+ damage on the adds on my own and we're pushing phase 3 around 13ish Acid Rains stacks.
All are capable of pushing some strong hps in phase 2, i saw them all pushing 20k ish rather easily. Check if you got the healer's important raidbuffs covered elsewhere (don't you dare forget about 195 nature resistance from the totem or druid's replenishment!) or bring the best players (!=movement gimps) over the class.
Last edited by klausi; 05-27-2011 at 05:01 AM.
the dk is a DPS dk, who dealds dmg in p1 and tanks the adds in phase 2 (and deals dmg to them, of course).
With 3 Healer and 1 tank, the MT took to much dmg.
replenishment is covered by our shadow and resistance by our ele shaman.