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    Need more Input, on my Fury Warrior

    ok i think i screwed up something on my guy not sure what, on the server i come from and faction i have no one to turn to for advice cause it seems i am the one that does all the research and peeps go to, tad annoying but have never minded helping others out if i could.

    ok i first started to think this after guild run on the Ascendant Council this past night i noticed me and another warrior were the wrost dps there.. basically we were bout half of what the rest were doing,, i know the fight is not a melee friendly one, but i know ishould be putting out way higher dps then i am with gear and stats..

    ok so i am coming here because like i afore mentioned have no one to inquire this from on server or guild.. i think i might have something wrong with my stats for rotation seems to be what you fine intelligent people have stated in other forums same with my talents..

    i am on the server us-ysondre alliance faction Vlädīslaus is my character,,
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...afslaus/simple here is my armory link
    in game stats differ some of course i have 3% more hit and like 300 more AP but other than that it is the same..

    Any insight to what i can change to improve my dps would be much appreciated, for on most fights i can not seem to break the 14k average,, yes on things like Magmaw i can do higher utilizing cd's on the head phase, and on Halfus giving the drakes i can hit up to 18k but that is still low from the stats i am looking at on WoL and other sites

    my main attacks are BT and yes HS, i nail RB on proc and use my CS every 15secs when cd is refreshed only use slam on proc as well but find that it and RB proc at same time so use RB instead, i keep battleshout and berserker rage up most of the time for rage generation, so i maintain abou 35-75 rage during fights on average,, i still see quite a bit of white misses even with the 14+% hit of course specails do not miss.. standard hit is around 8k, white crits range from 12-36k yellow hits average 12k with their crits being 20-45k, this is excluding fights where you get damage bonuses
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    Vlad:

    I think you're overvaluing hit. You've got a lot of it, almost 15%, right? Spend time on a target dummy not hitting Heroic Strike at all. It's a rage dump now, using HS over other abilities is a DPS loss and stacking hit over crit/mastery is a DPS loss.

    Gems - Blue, replace +40 hit with +20 str/+20 hit.

    Reforging....

    1. Make sure you keep hit above 8%
    2. Make sure you keep exp at 26
    3. Reforge to Crit, then to mastery, then to hit.


    So blanket statement - reforge to crit. If you can't reforge to mastery. You're reforging a lot of mastery to hit or haste to hit when it could be to mastery instead and that's going to drop your output.

    Enchant Crit on wrists instead of precision.

    Don't forget your chimera's eye. At this point, 3 JC dailies for your eyes should be easy to do, you shouldn't absolutely need more patterns?

    Pure Str gems in your pants. The socket bonus of haste isn't worth gemming for.

    You have a PvP meta. You should have the + 54 Crit/+3% crit damage or the +Str/+3% crit damage meta. You're giving up a good chunk here.

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    Okay - rotation. Read TGM's guide, where you originally posted.

    CS on CD, then BT -> RB -> BT -> Slam proc, rinse and repeat. HS is NOT a core part of your rotation, giving up any other attack for a HS is a DPS loss.

    If you can, avoid using Beserker Rage for rage, but rather for the enrage proc to keep RB available. If you don't have a slam proc, that's a good time for Battle shout.


    Are you stacking your CDs? E.g. Reckless + Trinket (youth) + Deathwish -> CS -> Rotation to maxmize DPS?



    I haven't seen anything posted that puts beserking above hurricane. I know it's be asked around, but especially if you're swapping all the hit you reforged/gemmed for into crit/mastery, the extra haste there will be nice.



    That should be a good start. Others may be able to better fine tune suggestions.
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    appologizing for my spelling mind and fingers are never in sync,, i tell them what to do and they ignore me

    yeah i know i should have picked up the chimiara cuts already,, have not for getting cuts the rest of guild needs/ed,, bad of me i know

    thank you for the input,, i was not sure on a lot of it,, esp, since the last guide i think i saw for a warrior was just as cata was released well last up to date guide, and it was showing massive hit,, lets me know that i was closer to that i thought was right before i started all my reforging

    and on my Cd's i typically hit i think it is recklessness(has the longest cd) then trinket when that wears off then deathwish after that,, try to give the longest run of buff increases

    also on me and my paterns,,hehe i the fail type that spent hours upon hours grinding rep in bc during wotlk to learn the jc and bs stuff from there,, not sure why,, always want to be able to say i have them all
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    you should pop DW and reckless ness at the same time then CS so that u take full advantage of the bypass armor effect of CS while u have maximum buffs, by stringing them out you are probably loosing dps

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    I agree with the above posters. There have been some changes since the last patch and you need to reforge,re-enchant, and re-gem certain things. Here is what I have learned about hit...8%(including precision) is all that is needed but more hit is better for non pro's who overuse HS. Your weapons are sub par, I'm sure you are looking to replace them but in the mean time get the enchant hurricane on them. Like the poster above said get the special JC gems and use the strength cut. Here is a list a priority to guide you with gems/enchants....26 expertise>8% hit>Str>crit>mastery>8%-12% hit>haste. You can reforge a ton of items on your current gear to get more crit so do it. The gems you should use are the following....str in red slots or in slots where the bonus sucks (like haste), str/hit in blue slots where the bonus is str or crit, str/crit in yellow slots where the bonus is str or crit. The biggest change for you which is lowering your hit is that you will need some way of knowing that you have +80 rage. I use power auras and I think its great. When you have +80 rage is when you use HS or you will get rage starved...so practice on a dummy and best of luck.

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    yes i did a lot of reforging and regemming,, will get the jc only str cut tomorrow hehe need some tokens,, got stats now 27/27 expertise, 8.6% hit, increased str by like 160 to get AP increased to bout 9k , mastery is around 15.5, and crit is close to 19.46% now was doing dry runs on dummies sustaining 11k on dummies using just self cast(battleshout) and my cd's,, keeping around a constant 60-70 rage,, got to work on not using my HS,, got in habit of it back in wotlk on single target of course back then i rarely went below 90rage

    so figuring stats with buffs in raid i should be hitting a constant 15k which will be nice, possibly higher,, getting a guildy to make the 54str/+3% crit chance meta for me,, for the time being i put the old school chaotic skyflare in was actually able to dump all the solid blue gems entirely they were in prismatic sockets so they became 40str's

    ok here is a question would it be good to get the gloves from the ascendants to use for the time being (if they drop) while i am saving VP for the tier gloves and legs,, so wish blizz made the shoulder and helm vp's instead of chest and legs or gloves

    also on the stacking of my cd's, is the burst dps that stacking them gives me better , or is it better to stagger the cd's for though yes not the burst amount but a higher sustained duration
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    that still seems low to be honest ive been hitting 13-14k on dummies an i have worse gear than you (although better weapons)

    are u using berserker rage effectivly to increase the up time of raging blow as much as possible
    an also try an pop CS just before a raging blow ETC so u get maximum damage out of it

    i think others would agree 11k on dummy is still low??
    silly question did u stand behind the dummy lol ive forgot about this a fair few times

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    The dummy is a bad way to test things unfortunately. It's not always a good measure of your actual raid dps. The dummy is very useful for practicing your rotation and not using HS until 80 rage. I do think the weapons make the biggest difference in DPS..It's easier to gear for SMF btw. To answer your question about stacking CD's I tend to think it's on a fight by fight basis. On a longer fight you can usually pop all of your cd's on your first or 2nd CS cycle, use blood thirst 1 or 2 more times during the fight, and still have time later during a blood lust to use recklessness again. I recommend always popping Cd's based on your CS usage. Your HS usage is everything. You don't want to miss out on incite procs regardless of if your rage is 80+, but outside of that getting rage starved is really bad for your dps.

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    I just looked at your gear again...you can improve be reforging in other ways....here is what I came up with:

    1. Reforge license to slay from hit---->crit
    2. Reforge Impatience of Youth from Mastery----->crit
    3. Unforge the hit on your shoulders and belt to make up for the hit lost
    4. Reforge Helm haste----->mastery (or more hit if needed)
    5. Reforge Gloves haste---->mastery

    Overall this will net much more crit. Always keep in mind for reforging purposes haste blows. expertise 6.5% >hit 8%>Crit>mastery>haste

    So if you can get more crit out of your gear..DO IT. sacrifice any other stat cause Crit is KING

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyman View Post
    that still seems low to be honest ive been hitting 13-14k on dummies an i have worse gear than you (although better weapons)
    Better than 346 means you have 359s. Even in Wrath this was a huge DPS increase as base DPS and top-end damage are two of the best stats for Fury. Don't underestimate how big an impact weapons have in Fury DPS. They are not equal to any other slot, even chest/legs. They are the single most important item slots.
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    Rotation, rotation, rotation.

    As TGM said in his video, "something is better than nothing".
    Nail the rotation, plug that free global, stack cd's, know when the raid is using Hero/lust, come prepared.

    Good luck

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    yeah been working on rotation, think that is my biggest fail atm,, using one of my boss mod addons not sure which it gives me and effective dps per boss fight, on the dummy i am seeing recount show on average 2k more than my effective and i am getting my effective dps up to 12k now,, so vie recount/skada tried both ,, i am sustaining 14-15k big increase still need more practice on rotation,, probably should have clarified that i base my dps off the effective number not the recount

    also with the weapons, what would yall suggest other than the sword off Nef, or from troll archeaology,, espsince they are making up the big part of my expertise,,

    also curious as why reforge Youth into crit then reforge gloves and helm to mastery,, with current stats sitting at 8.6%hit,, i tried reforging the License into crit and lost 1.15% hit,, and was not able to regain enough from gloves or helm to make the difference, will look at reforging my helm's haste into crit,, though on the gloves i am looking at upgrading them soon which is why i have not touched them

    oh and on a note,, came in second in raid behind another warrior tonight in BH, with that warrior being in full epics was only 100dps less so i guess i am getting better
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    ok yeah i had brainfart on the helm and gloves and stuff,,

    still curious as to what would be a better weapon with current stats,, axe from tot is no good due to massive loss of expertise, axe from DM is agi, mace from DM would give to much expertise and way to much hit, mace from GB i would have to reforge a stat in expertise, same with sword from SC,, not sure where else there are weapons other than those in raids, and yes i know those are massive upgrades,, unless i went SMF then i have to find some with stats like the OH sword bought with JP's cause the massive loss of expertise,,, unless i went trhough and regemmed and reforged a lot of stuff

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    grab a holy pala and 2 set piece of PVP gear an go 2vs2 for couple of weeks an get the 359 pvp epics thats what i did.

    i personally wouldnt go out of my way to find other 346 weapons the overall differance isnt going to be alot. the Tol barad 3.8 weapon speed one has the highest damage thus helping all ur wep based damage attacks but thats about it

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    I think the great thing about reforging is that no matter what you get there are ways of making up certain stats...Also item level makes it fairly simple when deciding what is an upgrade...In terms of weapons here is what to look for from raids including some ideas in case you decide you want to try Single Minded Fury.

    Titan's Grip
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=59492
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=59330

    Single Minded Fury (I only linked heroic versions so you would be getting non-heroic most likely)
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=65103
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=65047 x2 if you don't want to buy the boe

    The single biggest change to practice in your rotation will be your Heroic Strike usage. Use it only when you have 80+rage unless you have an incite proc. Also try and get 2 Heroic Strikes in right after using Colossus Smash if you can....practice makes perfect
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    BH and magmaw are just about perfect for melee dps. Naturally on fights with lots of movement warriors tend to have lower dps.

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    yeah i found i love magmaw,, well partly for the dps and cause i can say i got head,, sorry if offends the censors,, yeah been thinking bou going SMF with those weapons, you listed my guild is not at teh herioc raiding stage unfortunately yet, but we have seen SoulBlade drop 4 times and Lavaspine drop 5,, so chance of getting would be good,, then it just be saving up for the crystals,, which are still selling for like 3k minimum on my server

    yeah Bh Magmaw, Halfus, Maloriak, i was in top 3 in guild runs ODS, ToTFWs, and Ascendants bottom of dps, V&T somehow was in the top as well

    have noticed if it is a kiting fight i tend to do well, it when i have to run all over i lose a lot of rage and dps

    also curious as to how the Sword from TB is a higher dps i was think stats were the same,, or am i missing something

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    Sword from TB? this one? http://www.wowhead.com/item=62454

    It's no different than any other 346 item level. I went SMF because there is very little competition for the single handed weapons.

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    ok i got another question for the all knowing here in warrior land,, the Claws from BWD,, are they good for a SMF warrior,, also the Dragon Bone Warhelm from Maloriak is that a viable dps helm,, i know the socket bonus is Stam, but was curious because of the equip stats expertise and mastery,,, also curious if someone would be kind enough to look over my armory and see if there is something i am screwed up on http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...afslaus/simple,, dps has went way up,, pulled around 35k on Halfus, and typically average around 14k on fights i have to run around on like ODS
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    have another Querry for you bright young minds, is Landslide Stacking,, i am not noticing my hurricane stacking which is why i am asking,, if it is not then is it better to get Landslide on your MH and Hurricane on your OH

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