well considering a ton of guilds started raiding the new 10/25 mans in mostly ICC 277 gear, as soon as you hit 85 and are gemmed and enchanted your ready.
Most of our guild was still in 4 set T10 when we started raiding and had 7 bosses down in the first week of cata.
Starting raiding has very little to do with gear and more about your skill to play the class.


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