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    4.0.1 Expertise Softcap?

    I am a bit confused as I have seem some different info thrown around. Currently (post 4.0.1) the conversion stated on WoWWiki.com says that:

    "Patch 4.0.1
    Expertise rating changed from 8.1974973675 to 7.688690185546875 per 1 expertise. Many talents with expertise were removed from game.
    At level 80, every 7.688690185546875 points of expertise rating grant 1 expertise."
    I have been toying with my stats to shoot for 27% hit and 26 expertise (200 rating) however I have seen reports of people running 22 expertise (170 rating) and having that act as the softcap with 0 dodges on boss fights (unconfirmed).

    Anyone have any idea if 22 expertise removes dodge from the combat table currently? If so is it a bug (I would think so)?


    EDIT:
    Problem solved, Ghostcrawler has officially answered the question. Expertise softcap right now is 23 and will return to 26 once cata is released and we lvl to 85.

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    Due to recalibrating expertise for Cataclysm, level 80-83 creatures (which includes bosses) dodge and parry less, so you need less expertise, 23, to be exact. Sorry we didn't announce this. I would classify it as an unintended consequence (though not unknown) and not a desired change on our part.
    At level 85, you will need 26 again.
    Last edited by Squirrelnut; 10-29-2010 at 07:48 AM.

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    Through testing by several people on other forums (maybe on here too haven't looked) the Expertise cap for Dodge was reduced to 22 even though your character sheet still shows a ~1% chance of dodge at 22. This returns to 26 at level 85 apparently. In a similar change, hit cap was reduced to 246 hit rating for 8%.

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    So 22 for expertise @ 80, what about hardcapping hit at 80? We have all been shooting for 27% but is it in fact lower then that and we should ignore what our character screens tell us?

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    The percentages for hit show properly from looking at my character sheet. The hit rating/% dropped from 32.78 to 30.75, so with the 3% hit reduction in Fury you would need 30.75*24 = 738 hit rating to cap hit for white attacks.

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    Due to recalibrating expertise for Cataclysm, level 80-83 creatures (which includes bosses) dodge and parry less, so you need less expertise, 23, to be exact. Sorry we didn't announce this. I would classify it as an unintended consequence (though not unknown) and not a desired change on our part.

    At level 85, you will need 26 again.
    What does this actually mean now for tanking?

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    Get 23 expertise instead of 26 till cata comes out.

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