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    Tankadin seeming to loose TPS..

    Hey guys i cleared up to the 3rd wing in ICC 10m.. though someitmes i seem to loose TPS during some fights with big DPS. i currently use the 969 rotation but still seem to lack some sort of punch that i need.. im willing to completely redo my spec if you guys see it messed up i keep holy sheild up 100% of the time in fights. not really sure what the deal is.. just let me know please.. thanks in advance.

    Velastra 80 Protect Paladin - Madoran

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...an&cn=Velastra

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    Please get some enchantments, it's tearing up my heart. Additional 142 Stamina (your meta isn't active yet, put a purple gem into your belt) and 275 hitpoints helps a ton with survival.

    You can find detailed informations about threat scaling for prot paladins and several proper speccs at Maintankadin.com.
    Last edited by klausi; 09-19-2010 at 03:04 PM.

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    A purple gem or a red gem.. its a red slot lol

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    purple gems count as blue and red gems..... i would suggest learning the basic mechanics of the game before tanking.

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    thanks for being a dick.. thats a great way to help someone. go fuck yourself

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    I wasnt being a dick i was just merely suggesting that before you start asking why your having threat problems, you atleast pick up the world of warcraft basic users guide. or visit the forums or even! read what the gems say... cause it says right on a purple gem fits a red or blue gem socket.

    I am not willing to help someone if at first there not ready to help them selfs.

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    There are ways to help someone with out being an ass.. maybe you should pick up a Socializing for Dummies guide?

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    This is a little confusing... you know that you can put any color gem in any slot bar meta judging by the armory linked, yet you seem to indicate here that you think red gems need to match red sockets... Am I looking at the wrong armory?

    At any rate, you need a gem to activate your meta bonus. A Red, Purple or Orange will do the trick. The best choice is a Purple because they are a combination of Stamina and another stat. I'd suggest using either a Guardian's Dreadstone (Stamina/Expertise) or Regal Dreadstone (Stamina/)Dodge rating.

    There are a few ways you could improve your spec and gear, but instead of just telling you 'the way things should be done according to Ray' I'll link you to a couple of good threads on EJ that should give you the knowlage you need to make your own choices. I suggest you also browse around on Tankspot, there's a lot of knowledge scattered around these forums, not just Paladin specifics but general tanking advice. There are a lot of knowledgeable and experienced people here.

    Paladin FAQ - Protection: http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t91132-p...m/#post1549423
    Protection Paladin Field Manual: http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t91132-p...m/#post1549423
    Last edited by Raysere; 09-19-2010 at 05:06 PM.

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    well, the first thing i would say immediately on your profile loading is your spec

    a 0/66/5 spec says that you aren't specced properly for the best tps you can generate

    there are several cookie cutter specs out there with information about which talents in the ret tree help your threat a lot

    i would say take points out of divinity, the healing increase is not justifiable for 5 points.
    also, stoicism - that's mainly a pvp spec talent
    reckoning is debatable - the tps increase on it isnt that high
    and if your tanking ICC, one point in spiritual attunement is more than enough - u get mana back from a lot of other options in a raid

    consider putting 1 point into imp judgements - this helps with your 969 rotation (look this up as well and note that once cata hits this probably won't be applicable)
    talent points that help ur tps will be talents like conviction, heart of the crusader and crusade

    in terms of enchants, as the others have stated - please enchant, i don't know when you got the pieces but you should pretty much have gotten them enchanted immediately after raid - helm, shoulders, gloves, boots and chest pieces all unenchanted all seem to indicate u dont really care too much about tanking to be willing to spend the time on making sure your at the top of your game (which is kinda contradictory since you came here for help)

    also a socket in the belt would help

    finally, your JC skills - level that up when you can to get access to the JC only gems

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    Xeno thanks for your help, i am slowly getting my JC up. I was told about the 51 stam gems and thats what im shooting for. I will look for some of these 'cookie cutter' specs that you mentioned. And alot of my gear has recently been changed out to what it is now. So you are right they are new and i havent gotten them enchanted just yet. But i will get them soon.. I appreciate you looking into it for me. Thank you for your help!

    Good day all!

    -Vel

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    To the OP, watch your language. This isn't the wow forums and I'm sure a moderator will edit your post and give you a warning before the day is out. Trimack could/should have been more tactful in his response, but the message is accurate, you need to do a ton more research about gearing/tanking if you're going to tank raid content.

    Given your gemming/chanting "mistakes" (no belt buckle?), and lack of knowledge about "proper" paladin tanking specs, I'm going to assume you're probably not executing the 969 rotation properly. Rather than repeating myself, see this post:
    http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.p...508#post456508
    Last edited by Akeber; 09-20-2010 at 06:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velastra View Post
    i currently use the 969 rotation
    No you don't. That requires at least 1 point in Improved Judgements, which your current armory spec does not have.

    I recommend reading the guides here and the stickies in the Basic Training section of maintankadin.

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    Update..

    I recently got with the main tankadin in my guild.. here is an update on the spec that he gave.. see what you guys think


    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...an&cn=Velastra

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    Quote Originally Posted by velastra View Post
    I recently got with the main tankadin in my guild.. here is an update on the spec that he gave.. see what you guys think


    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...an&cn=Velastra
    I think that build's really bad and you should stop asking whoever gave you it for advice.

    You're missing Vindication and Judgements of the Just, which are two essential mitigation talents, but picking up 3/5 Divinity, which is an extremely weak survival talent (JotJ is also a minor threat increase, as its application can proc seals). On top of that, you don't have Divine Guardian, which (when used with a /cancelaura macro) is a personal 20% damage reduction cooldown. Those trade-offs do not make sense.

    Similarly, 5/5 Conviction and 2/5 Seals of the Pure but missing 1 point in Touched by the Light; that 1 point that isn't in TbtL is worth roughly the same as all 5 in Conviction, or both of those points in SotP. Again, trade-offs which don't make sense. And you don't have the Glyph of Seal of Vengeance, which is comfortably our best single target threat glyph, particularly with you being at 18 expertise.

    That spec is bad.

    Information on the TPS-per-point breakdown of our talents is here. The Talent guide is here. While you're there, read up on the 969, because if you thought you were doing it while your spec made it impossible, that suggests you don't really understand what it is.
    Last edited by Lumines; 09-23-2010 at 01:23 AM. Reason: typos

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    Tankadin seeming to loose TPS..

    Quote Originally Posted by velastra View Post
    I recently got with the main tankadin in my guild.. here is an update on the spec that he gave.. see what you guys think


    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...an&cn=Velastra
    Still not right but it is better. Please actually read the posts and threads that have been linked to you. Many people get specs/gear/gems/enchants wrong and still do ok. There is a 30% buff after all.

    Being perfectly min-maxed is not an absolute necessity but some will be offended that they provided you advice and links to know WHY it's correct and you decided to go your own way.
    "he doens't need healing, he doesn't need healing, he doesn't nee-WHAOSHIT!wtf was that man!". Please stop leaning on TDR. -Teng

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    I apologize if i offended anyone.. I have reviewed the links that have been provided.. but before i changed my spec up i asked the tank in my guild he seemed to know what he was talking about. Apparently i was wrong and so was he. I will review the links that were provided and look further into thanks for all your help i will update you all again when i get it flipped over.

    -Vel

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    A quick question im reviewing the link i re-posted below.. the divine gaurdian seems to be a waste of points.. am i wrong?

    http://www.wowhead.com/talent#sZV0tAbuMusIufdxfMobc

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    Errr.. Divine Sacrifice.

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    You need one point in divine sac to get to divine guardian, which is a very useful raidwide cooldown. Some cases where it's useful:
    -Marrowgar's bone storm
    -BQL when she goes in the air
    -Sindy when one of your healers gets blocked and the other has unchained
    -putricide when the stacks are getting high on the tanks and so is raid damage
    -festergut's gaseous bloat

    Lots of times that reducing the raid's damage taken by 20% is beneficial. Plus, it also makes your sacred shield last 30 seconds longer. You do keep sacred shield up on yourself at all times don't you?
    Last edited by Akeber; 09-24-2010 at 10:39 AM.

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    Tankadin seeming to loose TPS..

    To add to the previous post, you will want to macro divine sacrifice when you have divine guardian.

    /cast divine sacrifice
    /cancelaura divine sacrifice

    You will have to press this twice. Instead of redirecting 30% damage to you, this will gant everyone in your party (not raid) 20% damage reduction for a short time which can be Huge if timed right.
    "he doens't need healing, he doesn't need healing, he doesn't nee-WHAOSHIT!wtf was that man!". Please stop leaning on TDR. -Teng

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