Reply With QuoteFirst of all many thanks to all who have responded sofar.
@IgnusFatus:
Thanks for your advice.
I already did change the cloak enchant to armor and I will rework my gemming as suggested by you and many others.
Vigilance: I normally have that on a high DPS, putting this on my healer was a try which was not so successful but helped sometimes in HdR.
Rotation is fine from my side, I normally do it as you mentioned with situational changes when necessary. I even use heroic throw for casters and then lure them around a corner.
@Harmacy
I use TC or SW to get attention, it is sometimes simply not enough, especially with mindless DPS fireing their AoE first sight.
I do not spam Cleave till rage starved, but glyphed I find it very useful.
But what would be my alternative to glyphing Cleave. Devastate? Vigilance? I find devastate not so useful, in trash mobs it does not matter too much, and on bosses I get up 5 sunders quick enough. Being deficient to multi-mob encounters compared to a Tankadin or DK I still stick to Cleave, especially to be able to tank the daylies well which I do regularly for getting better equip for my dps gear.
But I think I should carry some glyphs with me to change every time its raiding day. Once more my question, what glyph should go there for raiding? HS? Vig? Dev?
Back to the topic:
I also use challenging shout when I feel out of control, that helped esp. in last wave of HdR mobs to regain control.
@ SeptimX
I did not use TAB-target changing to much on multi mob encounters, especially not rotating through all targets because in random PUGs I felt in quite good control and never saw the nee because I was able to TC, SW and cleave to bind the mobs, but perhaps the feeling of control resulted from the lack of direct feedback from me side (my girlfriend) indicating that I am NOT in control.
I think the DPS did not use any of their CC tools apart from our hunter, there lies a problem I was not aware of as well in my opinion.
@Loganisis
Thanks for the strategy on how to divide targets between pallies and warriors. We did not always do this correctly in the past. Normally I was considered maintank and I ran in lead on trash.
About self heals on pallies: I do not really know anything about that, my warrior in my one and only char so far. Anybody got conclusive data on that?
Gemming: I will do as you stated. 40 more stam sounds great! And as many others mentioned, I do not give up much in exchange.
@Dreador
Thanks for Ony tactics, I will establish ‘em.
@MellvarTank:
Enemies do not get behind me, I am aware of the danger ^^ and I use my couldowns as good as possible to minimize burst damage from special attacks. I als o have my trinket(s) on keybinding.
@swelt
I have extensive keybindings. I changed them at around lvl 50 using the tankspot guides as a guideline on this topic. I think I know by now blindly where my abilities are, all 20something of em and I rarely miss what I want to have.
TC and demo shout are always up if I am facing more than 3 mobs or a boss.
I think my healer lost confidence in me, even after our first ICC run with our raid when we downed lower citadel, festergut and rotface in first try with less than 10 wipes overall. Time was up after rotface, we are planning to go post professor / dreamwalker this week. (group consisted of 10 man / women around my gearscore (I know what you say, gs is no measure, I put it anyway to give an impression of gear lvl) with two DPS in the higher 5ks around 5.8k.
@ Passive:
As I stated above, my keybindings are extensive and well known to me. But thanks for your suggestion, I know a lot of clickers who stay below their potential.
Camera control is fine I think, I zoom out quite a lot, have mouse camera and sometimes, if necessary, I rotate my camera to see me frontside to get a better impression of the raid.
@Guderian
What weapons do you suggest?
I did not find a suitable one compared to replace my mace from Marrowgar? All good weapons with defensive stats are fast. Perhaps I should change to a DPS-spec weapon with non defensive stats on it?
Anyway, for trash I was quite happy with a fast weapon to be able to apply cleaves more rapidly or more HS on bosses where rage starvation is almost non-existent.
Is that a misconception or is Griff right?
For speccing I still refused to dump focused rage in favour of Shield Specialization because I felt it could result in rage starvation. Is that an error in my thinking?
Dunno who mentioned it but I use tidy plates which I love for its help as a tank!
Thanks once more for all of your hints and strategies!
Originally Posted by Harmacy
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