Need to stop looking at that spreadsheet. Makes me mad.
I want to be mad about this spreadsheet.
The Putricide graph looks like it could use some more data points before we can get an "accurate" reflection of that fight.
Thanks for doing all this work Warwench. Hope WoL comes through for you soon. I'm sure most of the tanking community wants to see where DK's land amongst all this.
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Regarding the raw data all I can say is "no shit."
Former healbot now a Disgruntled protection warrior.
Would I be wrong to correlate this graph of DPS to what we're seeing in TPS between the tanks also?
And it sucks. Baking in threat is a older mechanic reminiscent of when warriors were the only tanks. It is probably the single biggest reason our DPS is so low, if our DPS was on par with other tanks AND we had all this baked in threat, no other tank would come close to our single target TPS.
I say the defensive stance modifier (and Frost presence) are good threat modifiers. It scales, it's applied the same across the board. While stupid crap like the +259 threat on Heroic Strike doesn't scale and is not resultant of doing damage. Vigilance is even worse; relying on another raid member for your TPS is dumb. Plus threats without damage is what got warriors into this mess to begin with, they've had to up the static threat addition on warrior abilities mid-xpack 2 or 3 times before.
Baked in threat is dumb. Give us more sustained damage, more then likely the best place is in the form of white damage (and therefor HS/Cleave) increases or AttT changes. Or remove the penalty from defensive stance. If prot damage is really such a problem in arena's, then nerf the way Shield Slam + Shield Block interacts with ArP.
I totally agree, having some threat modifiers on some attacks is fine, but all of them? Conc Blow and Shockwave don;t really count due to lengthy CDs relatively speaking.'
regardless, I still feel as if - as a warrior - I am on the bottom of DPS and TPS barrel.
and without looking too hard - it seems the only "baked in threat" that scales is that of sunder (and the devastate component) so in terms of DPS -> TPS, it is just DPS + static_baked + the small amount of scaling hidden threat
Deeps for show..... tank for dough.....
I haven't seen any issue with TPS. Even in my survival set and spec (below hit cap and exp softcap, no Impale or DW) I have no serious issue holding threat compared to the Druids and DKs I tank with. This last week was the first time I've tanked with a pally since they got uber in early fall, and his TPS seemed a bit higher...but at the time he also had a better weapon than I did. Either way it was nothing to be worried about.
But doing damage is different. It's not only a tank-balance issue, it's a quality of life issue in almost all facets of the game. And it should be fixed, especially since it needn't be _that_ hard.
Unger, to say "more dps = more tps," is an over-simplification of the process by which all tanks build threat. Specifically it fails to take into account threat modifiers. You don't tend to see warriors gripe about single target tps because it isn't really an issue, but that is FAR from the case with their dps (evidenced here in this very thread).