From my experience in the new bosses, you'll want to go the EH route, and yes dodge is still better than parry.
I have been trying to find information for a while now about this debuff and tanking. My Tank is Natal from Andorhal (US) and over the past few weeks I have been using my normal set of gear, switching the gear when I got to Saurfang putting on all the gear I could find with dodge (and i bought a second set of T9 stacking mostly +dodge gems).
I finally got some drops and I am debating what to socket. I bought the 251 badge belt and I got the 251 chest piece Lady Deathwhisper.
If I were to ever socket an avoidance stat, i normally socket parry, but im wondering if I should focus more on dodge, or use my old gear and socket more dodge in them for certain fights? Or if dodge is just a lost cause in ICC and concentrate on other forms of avoidance (block/parry).
If anybody knows a good website/post/ or feels like responding please do, thank you very much!
The best answer I've seen is that the ICC debuff should not in any way change how you gear. If you gear for EH, you're still gearing for EH. If you (for whatever reason) are gearing for avoidance, every point of dodge is just as critical as it was prior to the debuff.
Statistically for most if not all fights EH is the better bet. But I'm just saying don't change anything only because of CotT.
In the simplest case, where all damage is avoidable, the effect of avoidance is (gain/(1-current_avoidance)). At 50% raidbuffed avoidance, it reduces the values of dodge and parry rating by about 30%.
On the other hand, we've yet to come across a melee strike which is actually unavoidable, while these were rife in Ulduar and Trial. Try modelling that meaningfully.
This doesn't invalidate the point that Chill is not a reason to gear differently, but if I'm missing something as to the reason everyone claims that Chill has no effect on the value of avoidance, would anyone mind pointing me to where-ever I can be corrected on the subject?
On that sense avoidance was made much more useful than it ever was in the Coliseum, where any damage we care about is unavoidable.
That's just stupid, an attack dodged is still an attack your healers never had to heal you for. Yes EH is more effective, but that doesn't mean you should drop any of your remaining avoidance! I talked to a tank the other day that said he wouldn't use Glpyh of indomitability's on-use anymore in Icecrown because dodge doesn't work in that instance anymore! That's the kind of thing I was trying to combat.
To, hopefully, succinctly answer the question (though if you read all the posts here, you should have a rough idea).
You should gear just as you would have before.
More thoroughly explained:
If, for a particular fight, you want avoidance, gear as you would have before for an avoidance fight. The net result will be more avoidance, which is what you want. The fact that your total avoidance in ICC will be lower than anywhere else should have no bearing on that decision.
The only distinction to be made, and probably one of the reasons for the debuff, is that it would be much more difficult to reach unhittable now than it is outside of ICC. For that reason, trying to make an unhittable set (I don't know why you would try for any of the fights as they are now) would probably not be suggested.
I wasn't advocating a different gearing strategy, although I can appreciate why you'd take that interpretation. I was mostly interested in the concept that CotT would not affect avoidance. You meant the rather un-intuitive concept that x Dodge rating was still Y percentage points of avoidance. Strictly true, but largely unhelpful, since all one cares about is your total statistical damage reduction from Avoidance.
I'm not saying that avoidance is a bad thing and that it shouldn't be gemmed for depending on a player's particular play style. I am merely stating that in my opinion 50k+ health/30% dodge is greater than 40k+health/35% dodge. I look at it from a healing stand point. My main for 3 years has been a disc priest. The extra health does give the healer a bit more "grace" room if the worst happens. (I.E. a healer dies, has to be Brez'd and mana up)
I dont think I said anywhere in my post that you should gem for dodge or that it was more valuable than EH in any sense, so I hope that's not what you derived from my post.
*repeatedly bashes head against desk*
Couldn't we have just left it alone after Kazey's post? I mean this avoidance/EH debate has gone on for half a decade now, and coincidentally, neither argument has changed.
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I don't get why people made this into one of those either. It should be a bannable offense :-/
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