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    Ulduar Iron Council (Hard Mode)





    I had to cut a little bit out of the script due to length and it's already pretty quick, so I've added an unedited transcript as the first response to this post!
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    Welcome back to the Ulduar raid guide! My name's Ciderhelm, I'm the administrator of TankSpot.com, and in this video I'll show you our Iron Council Hard Mode strategy.

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    Killing Steelbreaker last is a Patchwerk-style DPS race with enormous raid healing requirements. We found the best balance was to bring 2 tanks and 5-6 healers to the encounter. Additionally, two non-tanking Paladins with Divine Sacrifice are extremely valuable.

    During the Steelbreaker phase itself, you can either attempt to kill him within three tank deaths or plan your cooldowns around a fourth tank to increase the DPS time for your raid. The third tank is doable with strong DPS, but after a 49k health, we found it decidedly easier to just plan on a fourth tank.

    I'll clarify that 3-tanks and 4-tanks refers to rotations of tanks due to unavoidable tank deaths, but either can be performed fine with two tanks using soulstones or, ideally, glyphed rebirth to get back in the encounter.


    Prior to killing Steelbreaker, though, you'll need to kill off both Molgeim and Brundir, which offer unique challenges in the way the encounter is approached.

    Phase 1 of Iron Council Hard Mode works very similarly to the normal encounter in that the abilities of each of the targets do not change. You will still be dealing with a small AOE aura, sporadic casts from Brundir, and runes from Molgeim that the raid should take advantage of and the tank should move Molgeim out of.

    Getting to Steelbreaker can be done one of two ways -- either killing Brundir first and Molgeim second or Molgeim first and Brundir second.

    Killing Brundir first and Molgeim second seems like an obvious choice given Molgeim can leave runes of power on the ground going into phase 3, which virtually guarantees a kill within the timer. However, we found that the amount of randomness and the higher risk of unavoidable deaths from Molgeim's death runes in phase 2 made the encounter substantially more difficult and we reverted to killing Molgeim first.

    During Phase 1, we have a DPS DK keeping Brundir occupied in the middle of the room while we kill Molgeim in the front.

    Molgeim should be positioned close to runes of power any time they are cast on either himself or Steelbreaker to increase DPS. However, it's important for the raid to realize that neither phase 1 or phase 2 are DPS races and they should pace their threat, mana, and cooldown usage accordingly.

    We found using a felhunter was the most reliable way to break the rune buff Molgeim casts on himself.

    During this time, the Steelbreaker tank should be careful not to move too often as Steelbreaker will occasionally target someone else with Fusion Punch if the tank is moving. Additionally, the Fusion Punch dispellers should be aware that there is a small chance for the dispel to fail, so there should be a backup as often as possible.


    After Molgeim is dead, Steelbreaker begins using his Static Disruption ability, which is a direct damage spell and debuff he casts on a player that greatly increases nature damage. This debuff will also apply to players near his target. Since Steelbreaker still maintains his raid-wide AOE during this time and his overall damage increased when Molgeim died, it is important to take this ability seriously. Nature Resistance auras during the rest of the encounter are critical.

    Static Disruption will always prefer targets at a range and will only target players in melee range if there are no targets at a range when he is ready to choose a target. The debuff stacks and lasts for 20 seconds, so a single player cannot take the debuff every time.

    There are two ways to handle this during phases 2 and 3. First, as you'll see in this video, you can have 2-3 players cycle in and out of melee range, leaving your desired target at ranged to be targeted by Steelbreaker. This is very controlled but will lower DPS or Healing from any players doing it.

    The alternative is to leave three players out of range at all times. This is due to a secondary targeting mechanic -- Steelbreaker will not apply static disruption to a target that currently has static disruption if there is another player without the debuff at a range.


    Positioning in Phases 2 and 3 is critical. The strategy we found worked best was for Brundir to be tanked in such a way that melee players could attacking Brundir while still in range of Steelbreaker. All other players, including the Steelbreaker tank, would be at the maximum melee range from Steelbreaker. Ranged players would be at a range on the opposite side of Steelbreaker from Brundir.

    This works because, if positioned correctly, Brundir's Overload falls just short of the range required to hit the raid on the other side of steelbreaker. Since the Melee can still stay in range of Steelbreaker, they will never be in danger of Static Disruption being cast on them and can focus on interrupting Lightning Whirls.


    Phase 2 is where most problems will occur for guilds working on Iron Council Hard Mode. This is because the raid cannot afford any deaths, depending on your strategy, battle resses may be reserved for Phase 3 tanks. If people die and resurrection is not available, it's important to identify this quickly and call a wipe unless you're confident you can meet the Phase 3 DPS minimums without them.


    At about 20% health left on Brundir, we call for most of the raid to switch targets to Steelbreaker to get debuffs active and ready for a burn phase. At this point, we decide whether or not to wait until another Overload before killing Brundir, as it's important that the tanks be able to face Steelbreaker away from the raid without being hit by an Overload.

    When Brundir dies, the encounter becomes a burn phase. Steelbreaker increases his damage and now also applies a debuff to his current tank which increases their damage output by 200% but also causes them to meltdown and die after 30 seconds. When meltdown occurs, it also deals very high high AOE damage. Tank switches will need to occur immediately before the meltdown occurs so the previous tank can run away from the raid before exploding. When any player in the raid dies, including the tanks who meltdown, he will heal for 1 million health, or 10% of his life, so long as a healing debuff is applied to him. He will also increase his damage by another 25% for each player death. It is important that no one other than tanks die at this time.


    The first tank has about a 10-second lead-in time before the debuff is applied, giving your raid about 40 seconds of pure DPS time before his first heal occurs. Since many players will be able to make use of cooldowns twice during this phase if they use the first one immediately, we choose to burn Heroism immediately. Before the first tank dies, we aim for less than 50% health remaining on Steelbreaker.

    Glyph of Rebirth is by far the most stable way to revive a tank in this encounter. However, if you choose to use Soulstones, the tank must watch raid health for ticks of Steelbreaker's AOE and resurrect immediately after one so they can be healed up.

    If your'e planning on killing Steelbreaker in three tank rotations, have your Paladins begin using chaining Divine Sacrifice AOE Shield Walls immediately after the tank transition occurs to the third tank. If a Retribution Paladin uses this first then taunts Steelbreaker, then salvs himself, he has a high chance of gaining the 200% damage buff from Steelbreaker, but this should only be done if the encounter cannot extend longer than 30 seconds and will not go to a fourth tank.

    If you're using four tanks, the AOE shield walls should be saved for immediately before the 4th tank taunts. The third tank also needs to make sure cooldowns are chained on themselves and buffs/debuffs are active on Steelbreaker and the next tank.

    Whether you're using three or four tanks, you can make the fight easier by using a mage ice block rotation near the end of the encounter. If a mage goes to ranged and everyone else stays in melee, the mage will take a static disruption. He or she can immediately ice block, and as long as they stay ice blocked for 10 seconds, they will also take a second static disruption without taking damage.

    All in all, this is a heavy healing encounter with high DPS requirements. You can do things to make it easier, but you'll need strong DPS and smart players to get through it.


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    Nice movie.
    I did the fight on 10man yesterday, and here are a few of my observations.

    If you have a paladin start tanking steelbreaker, he can dispel his own fusion punches, so your healers won't have to worry about it in phase one and two.

    For the tank on steelbreaker, threat is a non-issue. You'll have enough, so focus on defense instead of threat building.

    Immunity effects don't prevent the auto-death debuff. Bubble is ineffective against it.

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    Manbearpig kills the entire raid after the kill. I lol'd hard.
    but otherwise great video! Once my guild starts attempting this in 25 this will be a great asset like all the other videos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martie View Post
    Nice movie.
    I did the fight on 10man yesterday, and here are a few of my observations.

    If you have a paladin start tanking steelbreaker, he can dispel his own fusion punches, so your healers won't have to worry about it in phase one and two.

    For the tank on steelbreaker, threat is a non-issue. You'll have enough, so focus on defense instead of threat building.

    Immunity effects don't prevent the auto-death debuff. Bubble is ineffective against it.
    for this fight Ciderhelm went with his UA spec, and i was the debuff (sunder/demo shout) guy, because he gets the +200% damage increase during heroism and could do well over 9000dps during his tanking time.

    i also went fury because im the only dps warrior, and debuffing as arms kills your dps, and arms doesnt get much of a dps increase during heroism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bragoon View Post
    Manbearpig kills the entire raid after the kill. I lol'd hard.
    but otherwise great video! Once my guild starts attempting this in 25 this will be a great asset like all the other videos!

    for a minute there i was like wtf.... lawl... grats guys

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    21k revenge crits make me very, very happy.

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    I noticed you were in strange position on second tank switch.That was cause you wanted that way or graphic error or i dont know what .I ask that cause I sometime have problem when tanking boss that almost look same as you on this video,from I dont know what reason my char take some strange position like boss is on my side and not turned to my face.Btw great movie and hd version is sick. Great job .

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    Nice vid.
    Last edited by Vilge; 07-06-2009 at 09:00 AM.

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    I would make a note that the range on meltdown is small enough that if the tank is at max melee range, and the dps are directly behind at max melee range, nobody has to move to avoid meltdown. Additionally, if the 2nd tank taunts Steelbreaker during P2, he'll already be 2nd on threat, so you can buy a few seconds extra seconds by just waiting out the first tanks meltdown, and not taunting that swap.

    For cooldown usage, we've found that the 1st tank doesn't need any cooldowns at all, the 2nd tank needs cooldown coverage only for fusion punches, and the 3rd tank (and 4th if you're going that route) need cooldown coverage fulltime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhelm View Post
    21k revenge crits make me very, very happy.

    UA Spec? I bet you spamming Revenge on Stormcaller Brundir keeps him "silenced" so no Lightning Bolts/Whirls...

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    Alternatively, my guild uses a strategy that required a bit more control and raid healing in p2, but assured that we only needed two tank deaths in p3. We kill Stormcaller first, and get Runemaster to 2% and bring the two together. We wait until he begins to cast a rune of power to kill him, so that we get a rune of power+lust/CDs and can get Steelbreaker to 30% before the first tank death.

    This requires perfect positioning in p3 to keep Steelbreaker out of the rune but in range for melee to get a rune, as well as the added aspect of more runes of power and rune of death in p2, but with practice this strategy has worked well for us in seriously decreasing the dps time needed in p3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bragoon View Post
    Manbearpig kills the entire raid after the kill. I lol'd hard.
    Correction! He NEARLY kills anyone.

    A certain someone stays alive, much to his dismay. /flex

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    Great video (and epic finish)

    Just a note on a trick we used in doing this on hard mode in the 10-man version. We usually run the fight w/ a pali tank, myself as the second tank (warrior) and our feral druid runs as full cat on the fight. But when the pali dies in phase 3, rather than have me taunt directly, the feral goes to (short) range, pops barkskin (just in case), goes bear form, and taunts, and I taunt him right before the boss gets to the feral. This gives us an angry angry double-dmg feral kitty (at which point we heroism), and the both of us die after Steelbreaker is dead.

    Good way to squeeze more dmg out of your raid in a 10-man, probably not worth the risk in 25s. Any DPS class with a ranged taunt (presumably hunters as well) could do this trick for the "last" tank phase. You only need to get aggro for a second to get overcharge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gluteas View Post
    UA Spec? I bet you spamming Revenge on Stormcaller Brundir keeps him "silenced" so no Lightning Bolts/Whirls...
    You still need to get a dodge parry or block though.

    Nice video as always and the transcript is a helpful addition; at some point I rewinded the video like 5 times before I clearly understood the meaning behind the collection of words. I've successfully done this encounter two weeks ago, but I think some of your tips are still helpful to keep clearing it reliably.
    Last edited by Síhrtogg; 07-06-2009 at 12:50 PM.

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    Wow it sounds much more complicated in 25man. We two shot this in 10 man with little thought other than we might need to revive the tank, we didn't and killed him with 15 seconds to spare on the second tanks timer. Albeit I do believe the tank timer is 1 minute in 10 man.

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