is so much of pressure tanking,and when its your first time tanking and reaching endgame its even worse
now im gaining confidence with my tanking doing some 10 mans but i cant really do 25 right now (just some with guild but not pugs) people sometiems its just a game and they arent willing to help anyone that is "lower" than them
its stupid because same people who blame tanks on lfg and disencourage them to tank are the ones whinning about not having enough tanks available in pugs
I'm tanking on my lvl 78 warrior. I always mark a skull to give the non-aoe classes something to focus on. For some reason the spriest keeps pulling threat on off targets so I glance at omen and see that he's doesn't have a spec of threat on skull. So I tell him that I'm marking skull as a primary kill target and if he's going to focus fire that should be the one. His response is something like "it takes too long for me to build up damage and skull will die too fast, just thunderclap more". /facepalm
This cracks me up!
In two weeks of trying I still haven't been able to get through a full Scarlett monastery because of Fury Warriors and Ret Pallies thinking they can tank.
I refuse to ask my guild for help though, now its like a crusade with me to get it done purely with a Pug.
My bear tank is rarely in the dungeon system, but the reason isn't fail pugs, it's helping guildies.
There are a lot more DPSers in our guild than tanks, even counting alts. Generally speaking, I'll tank the daily random for three DPSers on my bear, then one of them will swap to their tank and run my warlock through. My healer rarely waits long in the queue so I don't worry about her so much, but I can almost guarantee I'll get a request to heal a daily random from someone I know.
With so many requests from guild DPS for randoms, there's really no reason whatsoever for me to use the random dungeon finder. I'm willing to bet a lot of other tanks find themselves in the same situation.
The only reason I'm not in LFG is because I queue up in 2 seconds. God I love tanking.
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Agg's tanking guide
I just start every LFG PuG with " You pull it , you tank it " and normally everyting goes ok, yeah there are some jerks in there, but the majority are not so bad. If it gets real bad ( like that DK that kept putting his D&D in my face before pulls or that Hunter that kept sending his pet after mobs), i just drop group.
Until about level 60, you can tank dungeons as a Ret paladin or a Non-prot warrior. It's tougher on the healer but nowhere near impossible. I healed a rogue that tanked much of Mauradon because the tank left. It's still possible even through 60, but as levels increase it becomes even tougher on the healer to deal with the amount of damage coming in on the tank and others.
The nice thing about this is that it's inline with Blizz's philosophy with Cata and Fury/arms warriors being able to tank.
"Just because it's not nice doesn't mean it's not miraculous." - T. P.
Now people will say why don't they collect a tank set? Well, it depends on how much they raid. I wager most don't get much raid time, so either they
a) don't even bother rolling on tank gear (it irritates me to shard tank gear because somebody doesn't want to bother), or
b) don't have a complete set. And they can't complete it easily because they are on 20 minute timer to run heroics for badges instead of 20 seconds like tanks, and if they try and go with blues and crafted gear, they get abused in pugs and stop altogether.
And finally, while tanking is easy for us established tanks, tanking in general is MUCH harder than anything else, especially if you have geared DPS riding your ass. The ability to react fast enough to grab wandering adds, or to establish enough initial threat despite doing much less damage than a similarly geared or better pack of DPS. Keep this in mind.
HHoR, Arthas chase. Me on my bear, priest healer. We also have a shadow priest who was normally a healer.
Healer: Hey I know this fight. We should do the strategy where we run behind Arthas
Healer: This strategy works! I do it all the time. Let's do it!
Me: I don't think that's a good idea. Let's do it the normal way and if it doesn't work, then we will try your way.
Spriest: Let's go <trots ahead with the other DPS>
Healer: Well, I'm gonna do it my way
Me: <thinking he will try and bluff us, but will be forced to run after us when hes left alone. Switch to cat form to catch up with DPS, having waited for priest>
Healer: <stubbornly stands ground at the start, chasing behind Arthas. As a feral, I can track Arthas as well as the priest in cat form while hoofing it to the ice wall>
Healer dies from frost, 5 yards behind Arthas
Group wipes from a lack of heals. Group rezzes and gets ready
Me: Ok, so having you behind Arthas is a bad idea. Let's keep up and get this done.
Spriest: Yeah, let's do it normally, I don't want to wipe on a heroic again.
Healer: I'm gonna do it my way. If you don't stick with me, you won't get heals.
Group starts to move, noticing priest behind. Group votekicks priest, spriest goes heals, we finish with a DPS.
In this case, we had a healer ready, but if the healer was the holdup (Which it is sometimes), we would have been sitting in the instance, which leads to people quitting during the wait, etc..
Seriously, for the first few days, healers were instant invites as well, but recently, I've been stalled for a while waiting for a healer.
Add insult to injury, I get instant queues as a tank, and then have to wait 10 minutes to form. Why? No healer! WTF! Or the worst, waiting for DPS. I curse these times, having JUST switched from my DPS/healer to tank and get going on frost badges, only to wait for DPS and healers!
And do you know why? The wait process has gotten so long, healers and DPS are basically going afk while they queue up. And the timer runs out, and we go back into queue to pick up MOAR AFKers, while my healers and DPS go for days without getting a group for frost badges.
I've pulled before tanks do before, usually either because
A.) they're going to slow. They didn't say anything about leaving, they're geared to the teeth, and the healer has full mana.
B.)I can take something, or a group by myself with either large amounts of damage, or fearing them when they get too close.
However I found it odd last night I had two instant queues as a DPS back to back followed by a 2 minute wait on one. Tried to ride that wave with another character but back to 15 minute times.
"Just because it's not nice doesn't mean it's not miraculous." - T. P.
I still don't know whether to feel bad or not about last nights hNexus run. I've been trying to build my DPS set so I've been running as DPS so i could need anything if I went to one of the ice crown heroics. We had a bear tank. After the first few pulls of ripping aggro every time the bear says "Give me a second, I'm not a warrior or a pally I can't easily hold multiple mobs". Well I don't know what he meant by the second half of the sentence but I'm happy to wait 5 to 10 seconds while he builds threat. I am better geared than him after all.
I still keep ripping aggro. I ask him to mark targets and get no response. I also notice that he is never going after the casters first and they are laying into the healer. I don't know how I can rip aggro after 3 hits on the tanks target, but since he's not worried about the casters maybe I'll go after them. Finally he says he's usually a DPS and is having a hard time. I ask if he'd like me to tank and I finish tanking the instance.
Now today I feel bad because I didn't give him more pointers. I didn't want to be a backseat tank and I know little about bears, but he has some major issues. He was trying. He just sucked. I'm sure he just tanked to get the instant queue time, but he was trying.