3.3 Arms vs Fury & Improving

[gravelayer]

I know this is off-topic, but really, how did this thread with 18 replies get over 6 THOUSAND views???

I typed into google "3.3 arms spec". This is one of the top results.
I am a RAID tank but like to dabble in Arms. I don't keep up with the latest and greatest so I just want to find the "best" spec and the "best" rotation.
Amazing how hard it is just to find this basic information.

[lfern]

hi I need help too i have been arms for a while but I was fury for leveling and for a while into 80 I got marrowstrike in ToC and they told me I should go arms I now have much better gear than that and was wondering if I should be going BACK into fury, and if I should get some epic ArP gems. I get really frustated when a noob caster or crappy deathknight come into a group and beat my dps even though my gear is much better than that.

Here is my armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory - Devistate @ Shandris - Profile

plz help any general advice would be good as well

[lfern]

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[Kugarth]

i read somewhere that 'people don't talk about sword spec' but the best weapon available to me right now is the citadel enforcers claymore, should a sword specced arms warrior be avoided?

[Destruyen]

ramalandi's blade of culling is only 2 bosses away from claymore, 1 really cause gunship is a joke.

but, if that's really all you can get, and you can't get a dual-blade butcher from toc25 regular, then sword spec is your only option.

[drummerbummer]

Ive been playing both specs, and you have no idea how many times i respeced, regemmed and tested both specs. First off over the arp and strength debate, arp is now the way to go if you plan on doing harcore raids including icc10/25 and togc10/25. Warriors should stick with 50-55% soft cap arp w/ a proc trinket until they know they can hit 100% arp passive when they get the right type of gear in the future. But do not take advantage it over your other stats including hit and exp. Now for the specs, they both have the same gemming technique, but arms is much easier to hard cap arp in battlestance. A lil more difficult for fury unless they can get extra arp from their offhand weap. Now between the performance between arms and fury. I'll be straight forward about it and I would DEFININTLEY go with arms. Now a lot ppl who respec over from arms to fury who think they're doing better dps is because of many reasons. They prob test it through running heroics raping mobs and its a much easier spec to play. Fury usually do more dps than arms or actually in any other class spec in heroics/mobs is because of their instant dps increase from aoe whirlwind. As for the rotation, it couldn't get any easier, its like rolling a pally class. Now the reason why i choose arms is because it's more of a single target boss spec taen an aoe spec like fury. Its rotation if you will takes a lil more time to get use especially when you gotta watch your sudden death/overpower procs. I do a solid 8k dps on boss fights, while i do 6-6.5k on fury. Fury is basically an aoe spec, its rapes in mobs but what it's more important, the mobs or the actual boss fight? In saurfang in icc, fury almost becomes useless when the mobs spawn. Whirlwind is one of the main abilities, and it always has to be delayed when mobs appear, decreasing dps. Arms take a lil more skill, fury requires very little performance so give arms some time. I'm currently an arms warrior and i pull top3 in dps in my guild, competing with a warlock and mage.

[Destruyen]

Warriors should stick with 50-55% soft cap arp w/ a proc trinket until they know they can hit 100% arp passive

once you can hit 80%+ you should drop the arp trinket and go passive. the arp trinkets have at best 22% uptime which means you will only be doing the best possible dps for your gear a few times out of a fight.

Now between the performance between arms and fury. I'll be straight forward about it and I would DEFININTLEY go with arms.

give 2 warriors best in slot gear and given the same skill level fury will even beat arms in single target dps. arms out-performs fury at lower gear levels.

In saurfang in icc, fury almost becomes useless when the mobs spawn. Whirlwind is one of the main abilities, and it always has to be delayed when mobs appear, decreasing dps.

negative, the blood beasts have something like a 90% resistance to aoe dmg (just like the faction champs fight in trail). you should not be holding back whirlwind for them at all. why are you holding off on whirlwind when mobs appear? this gives fury even more of a boost over arms since all arms has is sweeping strikes every 30 seconds and 1 minute 15 second bladestorm. tell your rogues and hunters to misdirect more/better when adds spawn.

I do a solid 8k dps on boss fights, while i do 6-6.5k on fury.

i increased my dps by around 500 on average just switching from arms to fury (mostly due to my low frame rates). it's not a 2k+ dps difference unless you cannot manage your rage effectively. i pulled ~9.5k on saurfang and ~11k on festergut this past week as fury, two fights that lets melee test out how well they perform their rotations in a raid environment.

Arms take a lil more skill, fury requires very little performance so give arms some time.

i will agree with this point. switching from arms to fury and being used to utilizing every global actually messed me up with fury for the first week or so. but starting out, fury is easier than arms, with some minor adjustments when going from arms to fury.

[Cryptox]

Hey all, my first post here.

So, Im gearing up my warrior for fury. Here he is:http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...pes&cn=Cryptox
(I know the enchants/gems aren't the best, fury is currently my off specc).

So basically what im wondering about is:

- What caps are important to reach , and what are most important? Hit, Expertise, ArP?
- Once I reach those caps, what should be my primary stat to gem for?
- What glyphs should a fury warrior have?
- What spesific enchants should I have (like MH/OH comb.)
- I think I know my basic rotation, but I would really like to hear it from somebody who knows their business.

Every advice you think would be helpful (and every advice probably would), just say it.
All replies are greatly appriciated.

[Destruyen]

please read: http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.p...-Warrior-Guide

[Cryptox]

Thanks for the link, was really helpful

Im still wondering abit about gear though.

Should I go for the 4 set bonus of t9? Both my Hands and Head seem like they're better than t9.
And is the 50 Badge of Triumph trinket worth it? Will get abit much hit if I buy it.

Also having trouble finding a good cape.

[Destruyen]

4pc t9 is nice until you can get 2pc t10. get shoulders and helm for the 4pc.. the triumph badge trinket is pretty bad, you shouldn't need that much hit outside of your other pieces and the on use with a 2 minute cd is pretty blah. ap gemming is bad for warriors with all the +str modifiers in our specs (strength of arms for arms and imp. berserker stance for fury). dump most all of your hit gear, you only need 164 hit. there's an agi cloak in one of the new icc 5 mans that's pretty decent.

[Cryptox]

Yeah my gems are bad, I know.

Will try to lose some of my hit, and gain some ArP I guess, going after the guide.

Ty again for the advice.

[Pepyto]

Fury > Arms if you have the gear. Arms is more weapon damaged based VS Fury that is more gear based. If your gear is lacking and you can get a hold of a good weapon, you will defenetly do more damage as Arms. If you have better gear then your weapon, you will do more damage as Fury. If your gear is the same, depending how good it is you will be better off arms or fury. Arms would be for lower gear levels and fury would be for higher gear levels. I do 10kdps on single target fights in 25 man ICC, was doing 13k on 10 man Lich King attempts earlier today. I have played both specs and although arms is far more complex then fury, I would have to say that arms is easier to play because your rage is easier to manage. Complex does not make something hard, it just makes it harder to learn. Once you have the rotation down, it's cake. With the t10 4 set bonus, your rage jumps up and down at such a high rate, that I have to be looking at my rage bar about once every 2-3 seconds VS arms I only need to take a look here and there when OP, MS and Execute are on CD. By the way, when your main abilities are on CD, you should be spamming slam and using heroic strike if you are still generating to much rage while spamming slam. Rage should never be over 70 in arms spec and should try to be kept around 50. Rage generation is much more spiky in Fury. You have to be constantly spamming heroic strike above 20% of targets health, while you make sure that you dont go OOR (Out Of Rage) by over spamming it after you miss with 2-3 white hits. When the targets hits 20% hp, you get a rotation that makes fury become more like Arms.

To sum it up, I believe that Fury > Arms, because when geared the same, at high level gear you get more dps out of Fury. Furthermore, Fury is much more versatile, making it easier to move without losing any damage and switching from AOE (Cleave) to single target (Heroic Strike) within a fraction of a second.

P.S. Armor Penetration is a beast, so stack it to 1400 (100%). If your gear isnt to good, try to get a trinket that procs some and get 1400 - proc ArP. Then stack some items that have a lot of armor penetration in your bank. When you can reach about 80% ArP, you can put all your gear on.

Hope this helps

|Pepyto| There is only 1 Pepyto.

[Gulkash]

First and foremost, I wish to thank these forums for being an INVALUABLE resource. As more or less the only DPS warrior in my guild, good advice is hard to come by.

On that note, few things I didn't see mentioned that I am going to add in.

Fury seems to scale differently with raid buffs than arms. (numbers are from the landsoul sheet) I have about a net 400 DPS swing between arms and fury depending on if I am lucky enough to get WF or Icy Talons. With, fury comes out 200 DPS higher. Without, arms comes up 200 DPS higher.

Also, about the weapon dependency. Keep in mind that fury will require 2 two-hand weapons (in current permutation), and that Byntroll is not a great offhand. I am using it presently, mostly because of what I have in my main hand. I, like so many others here, am contemplating about my 9000th respec, back to arms because I have one fantastic weapon, and one meh weapon. any recommendations?

[Arikak]

Also, about the weapon dependency. Keep in mind that fury will require 2 two-hand weapons (in current permutation), and that Byntroll is not a great offhand. I am using it presently, mostly because of what I have in my main hand. I, like so many others here, am contemplating about my 9000th respec, back to arms because I have one fantastic weapon, and one meh weapon. any recommendations?

Bryntroll should be your MH, especially if your other weapon is "Meh." You're killing your DPS. Only time Bryntroll should be an OH option is if you have one of the few weapons that are better than it. And even then you can sometimes be better off not using it at all.

[Gulkash]

Byntroll is my "Meh" weapon, my MH is Shadows Edge.

[Destruyen]

bryntoll shouldn't even be an offhand option.

[Gulkash]

Agreed. But it's the only 25 man ICC 2h weapon available to me at present. And it is this fact that is making me want to swap back to arms. But substantial gear re-arrangement would be required. I'm just lookin for a 2nd opinion on this mostly.

[Gulkash]

just a small update, problem solved, landed cryptmaker

[Shazlonium]

hey guys,

some nice info here

been arms for a while, tried fury a few times, but i never felt the "fun" of it...

not much to ask for except an opinion on my gear, i seem to be doing well in 10 mans, even better in 25, ranked 5th place in ICC rep run last night with about 9k dps (thanks to the slackers :P).
anywho, here's my armory , would appreciate any feedback

thanks.