Hi I am newly 80 as of Saturday and was wondering if anyone could give me their opinion on my spec and what my exact rotation should be I have tanked for H HoL, H CoS timed, and H Occ succesfully no wipes except on drakes in Occ =P but had some issue keeping aggro in CoS although the dps were 2.5k and higher. So thanks and please help =)
i would just like to say gratz on gettin to lvl 80, 1st of all 3 talent trees for a DK can be used for tanking as im sure u know, blood is best for single targets like bosses, frost is good all round and unholy is best for AoE tanking, while ur lvling and getting ur gear etc. i recommend going frost, i found it a good all round tanking spec, blood and holy are more dependent on ur gear than frost is, obviously the worse ur gear the worse ur gona be in blood and unholy for tanking, unholy is more of an off tanking spec for raids, well i think so anyway, never used it my self but i know the basics, i lvled as frost tank, which was great and easy to use, then after awhile when i started getting better gear i swiched to blood tanking as im the main tank in my guild, also spam rune strike as much as pos if ur not, its the best tps move a DK has, also u want to get ur defence up 2 540 as soon as, as that makes u uncritable on bosses, which is a must. i use Tanking | Skeleton Jack for my tanking spec and rotation. a gd website with loads of details.
hope this helps
Hi Carnick, your Talent spec looks good, but you need to replace your green items with at least cheap blue ones from AH. get your Defense up above 540 and you become crit immune. So buy blue gear that increases your defence rating up to 540, then aim for stamina and then hit rating.
When it comes to aggro, make sure you have a death and decay out as often as possible, and always use pestilence directly after Icy touch & Plague Strike, keep spreading diseases and use Rune strike as soon as it lits =). Be careful when using Army of the dead at bosses that cast AoE damage in front of them, since the boss will turn around like crazy and casting that spell all over the place!
Good Luck & happy tanking!
I appreciate the the help in the matter and I am trying to cap my defense =P but I was wondering if when AoE tanking I should spam BB when I have DaD down and Diseases.
as soon as possible, u should use blood boil as it is really good AoE tps and DnD is good for just pulling the mob. also try and work on ur expertise, parry and dodge, that is wat my guild told me when i first hit 80. hope that helps.
I was once Unholy myself, and while it works I found Frost a lot easier. This allowed me to focus more on the nuances of tanking, which in the long run will make me a better player I believe. Once I have the nuances down I believe that any spec I decide to go with will be a lot better cause I know all the little things it takes to be sucessful.
I agree with making sure you get your defense up to at least 535, which prevents critical strikes for Heroics. 540 defense is for raids. I would then slot for stamina like Torrminator said. However this is where we part ways. I would start slotting for dodge and not hit. Parry really isn't a good enough IMO for us DK's to gem for it, as we get it from strength anyway.
As for your rotation Unholy is pretty much DnD====>Icy Touch====>Plague Strike====>Pest====>BB. Keeping your dieseases up is key. Now if you decide to go Frost you can see here that it is a lil easier, which allows me to focus more on doing what I can to make life easier on th healer. I rarely, if ever use pestilence. My rotation is as follows: HB===>DnD====>BB===>HoW====>HB, BB, BB. That rotation is for mobs. There is a little time between HoW and your next HB but by now you should have the aggro snapped. My boss rotation uses IT, PS, BS, BS, OB. Keep in mind two things. One, I have a Rune Strike macro on all of my attacks so it will always be ready to go when procs. Two, I have the glyph of Howling Blast that infects all the toons hit with it with Frost Fever. I rarely lose aggro to anyone, and if I do it is usually because they are trying to tank themselves LOL.
AotD is situational. Remeber to that while casting it you take less damage, so if you get behind you might wanna pop it, but for pete's sake don't pop army when the boss is using Whirl Wind...unless you need a good laugh and wanna watch your squshie teamates fall like dominoes.
Last edited by 20x; 11-18-2009 at 03:27 AM. Reason: Forgot something.
Ok =D I got my cap defense , no greens, and my spec pretty much down Next question.... what weapon am I looking for what kind, stats and why thanks again .... And when will I be ready to tank/off tank naxx, uludar and so on
Last edited by Carnick; 11-19-2009 at 12:31 AM.
your gd to go for naxx, id recommend doin ToC 5 HC to get Marrowstrike - Item - World of Warcraft, the agility is real good for DK tanks, gives you extra crit, dodge and even armor, got nice amount of stam to it and a gem socket, this was one of the best weapons i've had so far, second only to Anguish - Item - World of Warcraft, and buy you self Bracers of Dalaran's Parapets - Item - World of Warcraft there BoE so if you have a mate or fellow guildy with a few spare emblems they can use to buy it for you do so, id also suggest regemming for epic gems and get fully enchanted, they can be really expencive tho thats the only problem, i'd think you'd be good to go to uld then.
Last edited by Ltseb; 11-19-2009 at 08:05 AM.
I know this is a silly question but until I get better from H ToC 5 should I got with The sword of the staff from the champion seals =D I know that staff sounds silly but it has similar stats to Marrowstrike so why not ? If that is DK's can use staves...
Last edited by Carnick; 11-19-2009 at 04:33 PM.
it would be a good if DKs could use staves but they can't, sorry.
i've also noticed you have gone for frost, i used frost from the start, only went blood after i became the Main Tank, your specs not do bad but id recommend taking points off Runic Power Mastery, Lichborne, Hungering Cold and Virulence and put the points on Frigid Dreadplate to finish it off, Acclimation because Dks can some times get hit hard by spells and on Morbidity which cuts the CD on your DnD by half which is great.
i'd also change your Glyph of Bone Shield with Glyph of Unbreakable Armor, being your in frost and not Unholy now.
won't be to much longer now till can start tanking some of the harder raids
I tried to get in a group for H ToC today and they said I wasnt geared enough so when will I be geared enough ? And how do I check my gear score not the piece but my gear as a whole ?
Well, having been in your exact position - and still being there, in a way - I felt like trying to contribute something. :P
It seems like you make enough Emblems, so get Emblem gear upgrades, while running Trial of the Champion; starting with a new Sigil. And though it's an extremely rare drop, I, personally, feel it's worth getting - unless you get something better first: Essence of Gossamer, a trinket from Hadronox in Azjol-Nerub (Heroic).
Bracers of the Herald: Herald Volazj, Ahn'kahet - The Old Kingdom (Heroic)
Waistguard of Living Iron: Emblem of Heroism (40)
The Vault of Archavon. :-)
Your spec looks fine, though I'd change a few things. This is the way I'd go about it: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
The 4 floating points, I'd, personally, invest in Deathchill and Death Rune Mastery, or Morbidity.
Also, though professions should not be given the very same priority as gear: Jewelcrafting and Blacksmithing are good! :-) Use your mining, first, to farm the mats, then level Jewelcrafting and Blacksmithing - epic gems and extra sockets!
Good Luck! :-)
P.S: I will edit it anytime it's deemed necessary.
Last edited by Valquirie; 11-21-2009 at 11:21 PM. Reason: To reflect changes in Armory...
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[QUOTE=20x;320318]However this is where we part ways. I would start slotting for dodge and not hit.[QUOTE]
I agree, I had a chat with a Paladin about it. After you get your stamina up you should aim for Dodge rating (Dont forget that you canīt dodge or parry attack from mobs that are behind you, so keep them in front of you)
Also, I would like to recommend using a addon called "Deadly boss mods" (Deadly Boss Mods - Addons - Curse)
It gives you warnings and heads-up on incoming spells from bosses. (Itīs like having a friend beside you yelling at you to move out of an AoE)
20x, can you post the Rune strike macro? Sounds good.
Well I am now keeping aggro well but my problem still remains that I am taking too much damage and I am not sure what to do to handle this...
If you dont already have rune strike macro's, here is an example.
/cast !Rune Strike
so it would like like this for a blood tank like myself
#showtooltip Heart Strike
/cast Heart Strike
/cast !Rune Strike
You should make a macro for most if not all of your abilitys. I have a macro for Icy Touch, Death Strike, Pest, and heart strike.
Unfortunatly I cannot view the wow armory to look at your spec or gear at this point to give you help with the damage being taken. Just remember that at this point, DK tanks are going to take more damage than other all other tanks.
Ohhh and if you are being told that you take too much damage from healers (coming from my main is actually a healer) dont worry about it too much as long as you get to the defence "cap" Healers these days are typically lazy due to healing extremely over geared tanks, you know, the ones that are main tanks in ToGC and then doing heroics for fun. You very well could be taking a normal amount of damage, it could be just that the healers are used to healing better geared players.
Alright Carnick, itīs time to get your HP up.
In your item slots, make sure to equip epic gems like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40119 to raise your HP, there are also lots of enchants that grants you more HP, ask around for enchanters and tell them you want the Stamina enchants. And remember, if you get an waist without a gemslot, you can buy a belt buckle from AH and insert a gem of your choice.
There are good enchants you can buy from the WOTLK factions when you gain reputation with them, like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44150. You can buy this from the Argent crusade, check out all the factions for enchants.
check out my gems & enchantments on my tanking gear, I think its a good tanking combination: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hellscream&n=Torrminator
if you havent found the enchants for stamina yet there is
275 heath to chest
40 stam to bracer
30 stam and resil for shoulders
22 stam to boots
37 stam to head from the glyph
55 stam to legs with leg armor
all that i can think of off the top of my head
Honakwar has a nice list. I, though, am listing here the enchants that I'd prefer to finally see in the respective slots - and half of this list is the same as Honakwar's. :P
+37 sta / +20 def to Head
+30 sta / +15 res to Shoulder
+275 hp to Chest
Eternal Belt Buckle + 30 sta (or 51 sta) to Waist
+55 sta / +30 agi to Legs
+15 sta / +mra to Feet
+40 sta to Wrists
+18 sta to Hands
+16 def to Cloak
Stoneskin Gargoyle or Nerubian Carapace, or Others to Weapon
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