Question about shoulder slot item

[halloitsme11]

in squirrelnuts post on tank gear http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/5...tml#post270053 he shows some badass lookin shoulders with some very nice stats- Shoulderplates of Enduring Order - Item - World of Warcraft that can be picked up in the new toc area..
first question- can hordies pick these up? wowhead shows A/H but I cannot recall seeing anyone with them.. secondly do you have to farm faction with them? 3rd question- if you do have to farm faction where/how?

Thanks!

The World of Warcraft Armory

[Misko]

There are a horde equivalent on the triumph badge vendor named Shoulderguards of the Enduring Order. Same price of 45 triumph badges.

[Sirloinsteak]

the Shoulderguards of the Enduring Order are very good for a prot warrior vs the T9.25 .. i will be keeping them over the 9.25 at least

[Dragaan]

Personally I prefer the 245 t9 shoulders as a warrior. The avoidance is VERY close (14def and 26dodge vs. 53 parry), the stamina is the same (but the t9 give a blue socket as opposed to a red), and the non-tier give lots of strength where the t9 have a ton of expertise. T9 is superior imo, unless you are expertise hardcapped.