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    [The Black Heart] Procing of of other Procs?

    To make this post short and sweet, I just finished up the quest chain to obtain myself a Quel'Serrar, before the hints of the destruction of its questline in the next patch become true. Taking it to the dummies in Stormwind, i tried to see how offten the proc chance might be, as its likely going to be the same on the upgraded drop in the lvl 80 Onyxias Lair.

    But much to my suprise, I noticed something rather odd, The Black Heart's Aegis buff procced, on a target dummy... Unless they learned to fight back, that should not have happend via the tooltip of The Black Heart. Looking over my combat log, I found it procced right after I also proced Sanctuary, Quel'Serrar's buff. After a few more min of swinging, I was able to see this happen twice more, both following a Sanctuary proc.



    Ive yet to get Aegis to proc with my Last Laugh, and im semi curious if anyone else has had similer results, or a topic related to this subject. And if anyone else out there has a Quel'Serrar chilling in there inventories, I'd love to see if you come up with the same thing.
    Last edited by Kueson; 08-17-2009 at 08:00 PM.

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    I got QS, but not Black Heart

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    same as Valalvax. Sounds like QS buff slipped through due to probable coding changes over two expansions. I assume it'll have a stealth-fix in the not so distant future or just deemed unimportant, but fun to do.

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    it also proc's for me when blade ward goes off.

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    I was trying out my Arms offspec on a target dummy a few minutes ago. Still had the Black Heart equipped, it also procced. No Blade Warding or Quell Serrar. No clue what it procced on though, I knew I should have checked my log >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defari View Post
    I was trying out my Arms offspec on a target dummy a few minutes ago. Still had the Black Heart equipped, it also procced. No Blade Warding or Quell Serrar. No clue what it procced on though, I knew I should have checked my log >.<
    Now thats something I find interesting, I might have to give my arms spec a go later on, maybe some procs in general *In this case, Arms Talent Procs* happen to proc it?

    Edit:
    After about 4 sec of combat with my Blade Ward enchanted weapon, I had Blade Ward proc The Black Heart.
    And after 10-15 min of arms speced combat, I had 0 procs from Sudden Death or Taste for Blood. Unlucky, or possibly the poster above me had Berserking, which could have procced it. (I Did not.)
    Aswell, now, while typing this, i tabbed back in to see Mongoose also procced the Aegis effect.

    Seems the most likely, procs that are tied too, or enchanted upon your weapon, have a chance to proc The Black Hearts, Aegis, effect.

    *Screenshots of my Blade Ward and Mongoose procs to come.*
    Last edited by Kueson; 08-17-2009 at 08:04 PM.

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    As a prot warrior I never feel compelled to go to target dummies, as they do nothing to aid my tanking skills. They need in game Patchwerk dummies that I can play with.

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    On a training dummy, the only arms talent procs would be deep wounds (wonder if ticks could somehow trigger it?), taste for blood, or sudden death. You could try applying rend and sitting back to see if black heart procs. Alternatively, you could melee (and only melee) to test for sudden death procs causing it, but then deep wounds would factor in.... not sure how to separate those two without respeccing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerfme View Post
    On a training dummy, the only arms talent procs would be deep wounds (wonder if ticks could somehow trigger it?), taste for blood, or sudden death. You could try applying rend and sitting back to see if black heart procs. Alternatively, you could melee (and only melee) to test for sudden death procs causing it, but then deep wounds would factor in.... not sure how to separate those two without respeccing.
    Aye, i did about 10-15 min of sitting there beating on the dummy like this, duel wielding enchantless 1.5 weapons jsutto get SD to proc more, and got nothing.

    Im thinking the first poster to have it proc while arms, had zerking.

    Edit:

    The few images I just created, with blade ward and mongoose procing The Black Heart.





    And after tabbing back in, Executioner. >.<

    Last edited by Kueson; 08-17-2009 at 08:14 PM.

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    No Berserking enchant here. I went back and tried again, and sure enough after a few minutes of hitting it procced again. I jumped into my combat log and what did I see to my suprise? :

    Procced off Sword Specialization



    PS: Ignore the horrible button setup, I just specced arms right before to give it a go as offspec, still need to configure all the Bartender Buttons for it ^^

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    Hmm, thats a little different from al the other procs. Every proc ive had also proc Aegis, were weapon related procs that triggered buffs. *That is to say, crap like Fiery, and Icebreaker have yet to give me an Aegis proc*

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    I had it proc on Mimiron when I wasn't the current tank and during phase 2 where there simply isn't any melee. I was taking AOE damage at the time, but not melee damage which should be the only trigger.

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    If it can proc on your own swings then it could be immense for those classes that can turn Armor into AP through talents. I'd assume it's a bug though to be honest. If I get time later I'll go see if I can proc it on a dummy using Mongoose.

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    This makes me want to ask something potentially related:
    Do Shaman-totem-ticks still proc Acclimation (Shadow) for you Frost Tanks out there?

    I suspect in this case the problem is that the best they can is say "When applied by something not the player or friendly". Totems and the Items have a way in that they aren't actually a friendly player (they can't be targetted by some stuff for example). Hence by the internal coding they're eligible to proc stuff which procs from having a non-friendly target hit you with a spell-based attack.

    At least I remember our Frost DKs wondering back in Naxx why they kept their Shadow Acclimation at max-stacks. Then we found out that nearly all totem-buffs and -auras seem to be Shadow-based, and hence constantly proc it.
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    8/18 13:46:57.890 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,402,401,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:46:59.765 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,888,887,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:00.515 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF
    8/18 13:47:00.921 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF
    8/18 13:47:01.765 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,22850,"Sanctuar y",0x1,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:02.015 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,421,420,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:03.921 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,408,407,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:05.937 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,447,446,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:07.781 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,436,435,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:09.968 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,404,403,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:10.921 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF
    8/18 13:47:11.796 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,22850,"Sanctuar y",0x1,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:11.968 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,22850,"Sanctuar y",0x1,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:11.968 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,440,439,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:12.375 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,67631,"Aegis",0 x2,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:13.781 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,425,424,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:15.000 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF

    8/18 13:47:16.000 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,415,414,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:17.203 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF
    8/18 13:47:17.781 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,445,444,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:19.015 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF
    8/18 13:47:20.015 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,443,442,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:21.796 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,22850,"Sanctuar y",0x1,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:22.031 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,911,910,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:22.250 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,67631,"Aegis",0 x2,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:22.750 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF
    8/18 13:47:24.046 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,442,441,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:25.828 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,419,418,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:27.828 SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF1 30007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,414,413,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:32.703 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x51 1,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0xa28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF

    Instance 1
    Code:
    8/18 13:45:26.265  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,22850,"Sanctuary",0x1,BUFF
    8/18 13:45:26.453  SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,411,410,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:45:26.671  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,67631,"Aegis",0x2,BUFF
    8/18 13:45:28.218  SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,417,416,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:45:28.984  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF
    Instance 2
    Code:
    8/18 13:47:11.796  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,22850,"Sanctuary",0x1,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:11.968  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,22850,"Sanctuary",0x1,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:11.968  SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,440,439,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:12.375  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,67631,"Aegis",0x2,BUFF
    8/18 13:47:13.781  SWING_DAMAGE,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,425,424,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
    8/18 13:47:15.000  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x04000000024BD78C,"Pyrea",0x511,0xF130007F9A0018C7,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,26017,"Vindication",0x2,DEBUFF
    The full log is posted at the top, the two excerpts are bolded.

    The only interesting thing was that vindication refreshed 1 second after the two buffs aegis and sanctuary procced together. so I dont think that they are linked. I only used auto attack and had no seal or blessing active.

    In instance 1 the two buffs (more specifically aegis) procced from the white hit. vindication only procced one weapon swing later. This is assuming that gaining sanctuary is not what is causing the trinket to procc.

    Perhaps somebody more apt at reading combat logs could give a better analysis?
    Last edited by Fetzie; 08-18-2009 at 05:01 AM.

  16. #16
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    Well knowing I spent about 30-45 min last night, just auto attacking, I can pretty much confirm white hits do not proc The Black Heart. Theres really no other explination then some procs, mostly weapon enchants that yield buffs, or Chance on Hit:, equip effects seem to be proccing the Aegis effect. What is shown in your combat log.

    If you notice the timestamps on your logs, it just orders them differently then what you would expect. Both the sanctuary, and white swing are on the same timestamp, so they happened at the same time. The following milisecond after, aiges procced. So Just because the Order in the log reads (Sanctuary > White Swing > Aegis) Dosent mean that the white swing must have procced The Black Heart.

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