Reply With Quotethat's really a sweet setup for boss tanking... I wish I had all that stuffYou make a good point that it's possible at high gear-levels to maintain substantial EH / AV / Threat levels without gimping any one of the three.
*** Update 7-23-2010 for current content as requested, original post below that ***
Squirrel's Recommendation for Prot Warrior BiS Gear List
Obviously a BiS list is different for everyone depending on your stats and other available gear. Ideally always try to maintain the following basics:
- Head: Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Greathelm - http://www.wowhead.com/item=51221 (ilvl277 T10)
- Neck: Bile-Encrusted Medallion - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50682 (H Rotface 25)
- Shoulders: Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Pauldrons - http://www.wowhead.com/item=51224 (ilvl277 T10)
- Back: Royal Crimson Cloak - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50718 (H Princes 25) or Cairne's Endurance - http://www.wowhead.com/item=47550 (N Halion25) or Sentinel's Winter Cloak - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50466 (Vendor)
- Chest: Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Breastplate - http://www.wowhead.com/item=51220 (ilvl277 T10)
- Wrist: Bracers of Dark Reckoning - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50611 (H Marrowgar 25) or Gargoyle Spit Bracers - http://www.wowhead.com/item=51901 (H Deathbriner 10)
- Hand: Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Handguards - http://www.wowhead.com/item=51222 (ilvl277 T10)
- Belt: Belt of Broken Bones - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50691 (H Festergut 25) or Verdigris Chain Belt - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50991 (Vendor)
- Legs: Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Legguards - http://www.wowhead.com/item=51223 (ilvl277 T10) or Legguards of Lost Hope - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50612 (H Marrowgar 25) or Pillars of Might - http://www.wowhead.com/item=49904 (Crafted)
- Boots: Treads of Impending Resurrection - http://www.wowhead.com/item=54579 (H Halion 25) or Grinning Skull Greatboots - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50625 (H Valithria 25)
- Ring1: Devium's Eternally Cold Ring - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50622 (H Valithria 25)
- Ring2: Juggernaut Band - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50642 (H Deathwhisper 25) or Ashen Band of Endless Courage - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50404 (Rep Reward)
- Trinket1: Sindragosa's Flawless Fang - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50364 (Heroic Sindragosa 25)
- Trinket2: Juggernaut's Vitality - http://www.wowhead.com/item=47451 (H Faction Champions 25) or Petrified Twilight Scale - http://www.wowhead.com/item=54591 (H Halion 25) or Corroded Skeleton Key - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50356 (Vendor)
- Weapon: Mithrios, Bronzebeard's Legacy - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50738 (H Lich King 25) or Troggbane, Axe of the Frostborne King - http://www.wowhead.com/item=51947 (H Lich King 10)
- Shield: Icecrown Glacial Wall - http://www.wowhead.com/item=50729 (H Blood Queen 25)
- Ranged: Dreamhunter's Carbine - http://www.wowhead.com/item=51834 (H Valithria 10)
- Defense: 540+
- Expertise: 26+
- Hit: 264 (don't really need this much but is worth shooting for)
- HP: As much as possible after maintaining other minimums
- Armor: As much as possible after maintaining other minimums
- Avoidance: As much as possible after maintaining other minimums
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I wanted to make a list of what I would consider all-around BiS gearset as a Prot Warrior because previously I was feeling like we were unable to reach the expertise/hit caps while maintaining good survivability however this setup meets my requirements perfectly. It is sad that we need to reach toward hit/expertise caps to bring threat in line with other tanks but at least it is doable once you get various hardmode gear.
Goals
Defense Minimum - 540+
Hit Cap - 263+
Expertise Hard Cap - 57+
HP - 35k+ unbuffed
Avoidance - as much dodge, parry, block as possible with other goals met
4pc bonus - 20% magic damage reduction with shield block
JC gems used for stam 3x 41 - 123 stam
Gear
Head: T8.5
Neck: Titanstone Pendant
Shoulders: T8.5
Back: Titanskin Cloak
Chest: T8.5
Wrist: Mimiron's Inferno Couplings
Hands: T8.5
Belt: Shieldwarder Girdle
Legs: Saronite Plated Legguards
Feet: Greaves of the Iron Army
Ring1: Platinum Band of the Aesir
Ring2: Fate's Clutch
Trinket1: Heart of Iron
Trinket2: Royal Seal of King Llane
Weapon: Sorthalis, Hammer of the Watchers
Shield: The Boreal Guard
Ranged: Veranus' Bane
Gems
Meta socket - 32 stam / 2% armor
Blue sockets - 24 stam (30 stam in 1 socket)
Red sockets - 8 expertise / 12 stam (16 expertise if needed to maintain 57 hard cap)
Yellow sockets - 41 stam JC gems
Results
Defense = 550+ (likely 560+)
Hit - around 238 + hit food = 263+
Expertise = 57+
HP = 35.5k+ unbuffed
Avoidance = over 25%+ dodge and parry/block sucks anyway
4pc bonus
JC gems used for stam
I am working towards these pieces and am having to use a bandaid of expertise JC gems until I get more of them to reach toward expertise hard cap however once these pieces become available all goals will be met while using all 3 JC gems as 41 stam. Tweaking can be done with gemming choices and switching up cloak, neck, etc with other pieces to fit your needs and potentially reach hit cap without needing the food.
Although many people consider the crafted belt/boots BiS with the amount of health you would have with this setup and good dodge available I think the threat output combined with no parry gibs possible make this the ideal all-around gearset (until you begin playing with algalon pieces which I am leaving out for the time being).
Basically I made this list so that I know what to go grab as things drop but thought I would share it here as well for those interested. I will tweak the list as I get more information from gathering these pieces myself and seeing exactly what stats I get to min/max as much as possible.
EDIT: Thought I should include a note that this is in no way a guide or anything similar to Halandir's thread, this is simply a selection of gear that I consider to be a great set that reaches both the hit/expertise caps and is viable in any situation.
Last edited by Squirrelnut; 07-25-2010 at 12:36 PM.
that's really a sweet setup for boss tanking... I wish I had all that stuff
"Stop trying to hit me and hit me!"
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What would the other profession be besides JC, BS or Mining?
BS/JC seems to be the best combo currently, that's why I dumped my old 450 enchanting to pickup JC and power level it lol.
I know the legplates of Sovereignty have a huge chunk of expertise on them, but above the 26 expertise soft cap, i'm hard pressed to believe they're that much better than the Saronite Plated Legguards.
And why focus on 1 gear set? Yes it is annoying to carry 3 or 4 but I find all of mine useful!
If all those pieces become available to you there are a few red slots which could use 16 expertise gems (legs, mace, cloak, etc) which I think would allow the Saronite Plated Legguards to be used while maintaining the expertise hard cap perhaps even with just 8 expertise / 12 stam gems. Blue sockets would still all be used for 24 stam and JC 41 stam would go in other slots as available.
Good point, I updated initial post with that as well
EDIT:Although I have a few different sets as well (default, 4pc, block, ua, etc) I find that a set such as this would fit all occasions with ideal threat output, good survivability and decent dps output. I like having 1 set that works in almost all situations.Originally Posted by Alar
I almost never find myself thinking "I wish I had less TPS right now and more avoidance" as a prot warrior. If I have geared, enchanted and gemmed well then HP and avoidance should be high enough with the BiS gear I listed to not cause extra pressure on our healers. Due to our low dps and rage issues threat has always seemed to be one of the highest priorities. We have various 'oh crap' buttons with trinkets, cooldowns, outside cooldowns, etc to help with survivability throughout a fight but we don't have a button for threat.
Even on fights like General with this setup you would have enough HP to handle him while using cooldowns through his soft enrages and would let your DPS go all out with your good TPS output. This is a nice alternative for those of us who have steered away from a UA off spec in favor of having a DPS spec available to us.
Last edited by Squirrelnut; 07-20-2009 at 02:30 PM.
Why is everyone says that warriors need to be expertise and hit capped to be competitive on threat?
In my EH set i have 26 expertise (soft cap), like 190 hit rating, and i never had any problems with threat (with Deep Wounds spec), my tps is around 6-7k, peaking at 8k sometimes, same as our DK and paladin. You will need more threat only for Hodir and maybe Vezax.
I can consider hard cap hit and expertise for threat set (and i have one).
From the other side, i tried to use 5/15/51 spec, and i hate it. With EH set im doing 4-5k TPS, which is low. Need TotT and Misdirects all the time, but meh, for hardmodes survivability is more important.
Suggestion, try 12/8/51 all it is is 5% crit instead of deep wounds, and trust me, in terms of single target threat, 5% crit is much better than deep wounds
agreed, anyone that thinks expertise hard cap is important for a BIS set is retarded, the saronite legaurds are most deffinitely BIS
even if he wanted to argue threat wise, the expt legs have like 30 less strength and that would certainly make up for the expertise to shut it out as a much better set of legs
I am not interested in being 'competitive' as a normal tank, I am concerned with doing the most possible when looking at 25m hardmodes where there are fight mechanics (hodir) or rage starvation problems (general) without using a gimmick such as UA spec and 6-7k tps is meh. The goal is not to just be an effective tank, I have had that down for some time; the real goal is to min/max and be the absolute best tank possible with my race/class/spec and with BiS gear availableWhy is everyone says that warriors need to be expertise and hit capped to be competitive on threat?
Actually there has been a substantial amount of math here on TS that demonstrates that DW is more efficient then more points in Cruelty. If I can dig up a link for ya I will.Suggestion, try 12/8/51 all it is is 5% crit instead of deep wounds, and trust me, in terms of single target threat, 5% crit is much better than deep wounds
EDIT: I suppose since I am going with a list of BiS that is making the assumption that all these pieces are available to you so there is no point in keeping the Sovereignty legs in there since expertise hard cap is available even while using the Saronite legs
EDIT2: Not sure where the math threads are regarding Deep Wounds vs Cruelty but I will point you in this direction at least: http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f64/4...ur-damage.html
Last edited by Squirrelnut; 07-21-2009 at 09:04 AM.
lets not get into name calling (above poster mentioned retardation). Squirrel is merely trying to compile a single set that maximizes as many stats as possible, you have a right to disagree with him but that doesn't mean what he's doing won't be useful to a good chunk of tanks who have these gear pieces available to them.
You are sacrificing survivability stats for threat stats, which is wrong for hardmodes. Except Hodir and maybe Vezax, as i recall.
That was my point. Overall, i like your set, dont get me wrong ;P
On the whole not that much survivability is really being sacrificed as you notice from the results stats. That was one of the main goals of this setup was to not be a threat 'gimmick' that lacks survivability.
In what area do you lack survivability stats in this gear set? One valid argument would be the spec you associate with this however that is left off of this post for each user's discretion.
Personally I would combine this gear set with a 15/3/53 spec to maximize threat/dps while still taking advantage of imp disc with shieldwall/last stand glyphs at the cost of some shield block rating. The main drawback to that would be a lack of imp demo shout however you may have dps warriors in your raid able to provide it.
update for current content plox currently getting top 40 parses but wishing to get get top 10 (I'm in full prot gear) need to know what i to look out for
http://www.wowhead.com/item=51221
http://www.wowhead.com/item=51224
http://www.wowhead.com/item=51222
http://www.wowhead.com/item=51220
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50682
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50466
http://www.wowhead.com/item=51901
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50622
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50404
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50991
http://www.wowhead.com/item=47088
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50364
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50738
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50729
http://www.wowhead.com/item=51834
You can switch out rings and trinkets and whatnot, but the focus is max effective health with little regard for hit or expertise, or avoidance.
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note that the heroic Glacial wall has 10 less stamina (if gemmed for 30 stam and not the socket bonus) but ~200 more armor than the Wrathful Shield Wall (PvP Shield). EH wise, it's pretty close, but of course you get the added benefit of having str, defense, sbv, and parry, but if you're unlucky with the drops (like i have been), picking up wrathful shield wall if you pvp at all, is a surefire way to get a 2nd to BiS shield immediately before you even can do heroic BQL. =]
Don't forget about the Neverending Winter (H). It's pretty easy to get, and while it may be slightly lesser EH due to the armor and a minor difference in health, it does actually have a lot of tanking stats on it. (I prefer it to the Normal Glacial Wall.)
Avoidance vs. EH and all that, but I always preferred to use an item with tanking stats on it instead.
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BTW love your sig Dread lol.
There is something so appealing about backhanding someone across the face with a shield.
Note: I left out pants because I am currently not wearing any pants. God I love working at home.
But seriously, if you don't have Pillars, get them.
@ Kazey & Koji: I prefer heroic NW over IGW, but Heroic IGW over NW. If I personally had the time and the active account I would possibly farm arenas for Wrathful....but I never get a good or reliable arena partner. I'm also an a-hole.
@Boda....It was not originally in caps....then it needed to be capped....then I had to bold it later on. The argument will never end, even after they tweak for Cata....I swear I will be battling it forever.
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