540 still does the "uncrittable" job...but, the more the better...
still there are several new tank items in Ulduar with massive amounts +def...
I had heard rumors, is 550 a cap now to be uncrittable in either 10 or 25 man or is 540 fine for both/one?
I haven't heard anything of needing more defense. Especially since the calculation for being 540 defense to become "uncrittable" is based off of Boss level mobs...
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Well I guess 640/740 would be the uncrittable minimum at thorim if I understand it correctly (unbalancing strike lowers defense by 100/200 on 10 or 25 man respectivly). Otherwise 540 will do the job.
nothing about ulduar says you need more defense. Bosses don't have an increased chance to crit just because the instance changed. Your information, as strange as it sounds, is incorrect.
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Tanks are stacking massive Defense, because we're starting to hit the DR's on Dodge/Parry from gear with those stats on it. With items like Repelling Charge+the blue one, stacking def is great. Not to mention for those frost resist hodir fights.
November 23, 2004 8:27:03 AM - Glomgore 10+ Years of tanking? Priceless
"starting to hit the DR's" is misleading. You have DRs right out the door, they hit harder the higher you stack something sure. Defense doesn't really help with this except that it spreads it out more evenly, and gives you Block Rating. That's the biggest benefit to stacking Def instead of pure dodge. Which I personally would advocate anyways, block is a good tool for warriors, neglecting it is suboptimal.
The amount of defense you need will not change until the next time they raise the level cap.
I'd disagree. I actually don't know any tanks doing this. Most tanks including myself are on the road to greater Effective Health (Stam/Armor) and with a newer stam item, I'm only 2 above the "cap" (compared to being at 556 prior to the new item) and the only difference is that I've given the healers more time to react to larger hits. Stacking defense puts too much emphasis on 'hoping' you don't get hit IMO (unless you're unhittable).Tanks are stacking massive Defense, because we're starting to hit the DR's on Dodge/Parry from gear with those stats on it. With items like Repelling Charge+the blue one, stacking def is great. Not to mention for those frost resist hodir fights.
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If you are already past the mark where diminishing returns are giving you worse dodge/parry through basic ratings than defense is, then you must have some crazy gear and be gemming for avoidance.
I believed the point where this happened(that meaning where defense became point for point better than actual rating), was 25% on dodge and/or parry for each individually. I don't think even with my full avoidance set I can hit both at the same time, possibly something like 26% dodge and 22% parry.
I don't see stacking defense in any way beneficial unless you are just looking for well-rounded avoidance(which I am in no way saying is wrong or a bad thing). Though we should not be hitting the point where diminishing returns are really affecting us in such a severe way where defense has become a stat to stack, except in a fully niche set of avoidance gear. Which I guess at that point I would rename a Defense set.
Effective health, stam/armor, without ignoring your avoidance/mitigation, is the way to go at the moment. Bosses hit hard in Ulduar, and unfortunately, stacking avoidance for 5% more avoidance versus 3k more HP, will get you killed a lot more often.
I hope we can stop using the term defense cap, it is quite a faux pas these days.
Out of curiosity, does Shield Block help against Unbalancing Strike?