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    In depth comparison (bear), t7 vs t8

    This was originally written for my blog so forgive the formatting

    At first, I was upset, then I took another look at them. Blizzard has decided to move away from equip bonuses and give us massive amounts of stats. This in turn makes them amazing for bears. The most glaring example (thanks to Felhoof of Thinktank for this, I had made most of your conclusions on my own before reading your article but this is one thing i had not seen before) is the 10t8 and 25t8, seen here . The lone exception to this is haste, which is the one thing about t8 that really upsets me (I wish they could have put those stats in expertise or crit).

    Here is the comparison tool for the 4 different sets, done from the focus of 25t7. Note that the jump from 10t7 to 25t7 is 13 ilvls, the same jump as 25t7 to 25t8. Now compare the jumps in stats in this comparison. Double the agi and 10 more stam for the same amount of ilvl gain. The hit is nice, and only one piece having expertise is also nice instead of 0 and 2 like t7, but the pieces that they put them on are my next topic: slot by slot comparisons.

    Head - Socket bonus is the same color trading 12 stam for 8 agi, leaving the net increase of 8 stam and 24 agi. Helm is a straight upgrade going from 25t7 to either 10 or 25t8, as trading that much crit for that little ap is defiantly worth it.

    Since most people use Hood of the Exodus however, here is that comparison. Exodus's dps socket bonus really hurts its case, and that much crit is hard to ignore, but see the conclusions for my thoughts on expertise, you will see a trend in the next few pieces.

    Chest - Do most people match this socket bonus? I don't know about most people but I used an 8 agi 8 hit gem to gain the socket bonus. The change of color from yellow to blue for a tank is very nice. Using a 24 stam, you gain 15 stam for 2 agi and 8 hit on sockets. That puts the next exchange at 10 agi and 32 stam, while gaining 41 hit in exchange for 40 expertise. Again, see my conclusion on losing expertise.

    Legs - Again for purposes of socket bonuses lets use an 8 agi 8 hit in both yellows and an 8 agi 12 stam in the red and blue. This results in no change in stats from sockets. This is probably the piece that torments me the most. 3 pieces, 14 expertise rating lost so far.

    Here is the comparison on using t7 chest and t8 legs vs t8 chest and t7 legs. Personally I think I am going to go t8 chest t7 legs. When adding in sockets to that comparision, it becomes 8 hit vs 3 stam and 6 agi. Making the net gains 11 less agi no stam change and 41 hit rating gained with my choice.

    Shoulders - The first item that truely truely upsets me. Same color but a 6 stam for a 4 crit bonus is bad, Blizzard if you are reading this please reconsider making this 4agi instead of 4crit. Making the net change 17 stam for 17 crit when adding sockets into the comparison. Upgrading from 25t7 to 10t8 is not worth it but the expertise gain is to much to ignore so going from 25t7 to 25t8 is worth it, and makes t8 legs that much more appealing.

    Gloves - 50 crit for 43 armor pen in respect to SD is horrible itemization. Accounting for the change in sockets, using an 8 agi 12 stam and an 8 agi 8 hit, the net change is 22 agi and 12 stam. This is the first place I am looking to use a non set item ATM. 50 crit on t7 is just to much to give up.

    Conclusion:

    Expertise is going to be a problem, we lose 3 major expertise pieces while possibly not even using the one piece of the new set that has expertise, probably going to change necks from the KT 25 neck to the new badge neck, changing rings to the 2 new ones gives a slight expertise refund (unless you were using the badge ring in which case its a 21 expertise upgrade).

    I use Belt of the Tortured most times to tank on live, but for those still using the UK one (which is actually what I have been using on PTR because of the extra socket) we gain even more hit for a neutral expertise change.

    Until we start seeing more of the off-set items it is hard to predict how stats will be balanced and which will be more valuable hit or expertise.



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    They might not have set bonuses figured out for Feral, that would be my guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    They might not have set bonuses figured out for Feral, that would be my guess.

    Pretty sure they have the set bonuses figured out, what boggles me is that SI is still 5 minutes instead of 3



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    I wonder if we are going to be faced with another situation where people wont want to lose their stats off the T7 gear, expertise mainly. It would be interesting to see how blizzard plans to balance out the off set items, such as necks, rings, or even an idol. The Idol situation intrigues me because they could do a lot with it, but I hope we dont end up with a "Your lacerate ability has a chance to gain 15 Expertise Rating" type of ordeal.

    Another possibility is that the Tier Gear wont be a sought after as much as the offset pieces, say for doing the encounter on hard, you get a Much better in slot item than the Tier 8/25 piece. This would seem to go with the mentality that everyone can raid, everyone can have Tier Gear, but not everyone gets the best gear in the game ideas.

    My $.02 on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifthappens View Post
    I wonder if we are going to be faced with another situation where people wont want to lose their stats off the T7 gear, expertise mainly. It would be interesting to see how blizzard plans to balance out the off set items, such as necks, rings, or even an idol. The Idol situation intrigues me because they could do a lot with it, but I hope we dont end up with a "Your lacerate ability has a chance to gain 15 Expertise Rating" type of ordeal.

    Another possibility is that the Tier Gear wont be a sought after as much as the offset pieces, say for doing the encounter on hard, you get a Much better in slot item than the Tier 8/25 piece. This would seem to go with the mentality that everyone can raid, everyone can have Tier Gear, but not everyone gets the best gear in the game ideas.

    My $.02 on the subject.
    they announced the idol a while ago, Idol of the Corruptor - Item - World of Warcraft

    unfortunatly it is a 25 man drop. FFS blizzard here is what is going to happen. most druids will wait 20 weeks before it drops and still be using a lvl 70 idol. The rest of the guilds will get 10 in 20 weeks and hate druids for taking up a slot on the bosses loot table

    unless they have a boss that has an item slot like the domo chest in mc where that slot can only be an idol, relic, totem, or sigil. even then it is still extremly RNG

    Blizzard, the idol needs to be on he vendor, it is extremly unacceptable if it is a drop.



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    I agree, they should have put idol's on the vendor's like they did before. I wonder why they didnt out them in the badge purchases. The only thing I can think is because if they put the idols in there, then they would have to throw in some librams, then some sigils to make it "fair", and that would take up around 9 boss loot slots if you account for each spec (Holy,Ret,Prot,Resto,Boomkin,Feral Tank, Feral DPS) etc..

    Hell I would be all for having sigils and idols and the like not dropping off bosses. More loot for everyone, and maybe some more leather pieces
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