Back in the day some people used paladins to do this kind of thing with Brutallus making his mechanic of the stacking slashes neglible.
This removes the huge breath issue with some clever use of ingame mechanics and don't suprised if Blizz adds some breathrange to Sartharion just as they did to Brutallus.
You couldn't by chance be able to post a WWS from one of your guild's three drakes kill, or could you?
Would like to hear from Ciderhelm if there was any discussions in guild when this was discovered if it was right to use it.
I first watched this video and really really liked the strat. My guild is currently working on Sarth 3D and are close to getting it...though we do have MT deaths sometimes. I briefly considered bringing this approach up to my guild to try it out...but after reading the feedback and thinking about it more I don't think we should for fear that eventually a Brutallus-like change could become reality and we might have to learn the fight all over again (doing it basically exactly as we're attempting to now). It's an awesome video but it'd probably take several attempts for our group to get use to (as Cider's guild positions him differently than we do, and practice getting the taunts off properly, etc...). I think we'd lose half a night adopting a new strat at this point and really we know the strat we've got will work, we've been working on him long enough we just want to down him already.
My biggest question is this:
Using this strat, is there anything we would need to be concerned about with the MT/MT Healers in regard to Sarth's tail swipe? Or is it just never an issue?
I could see a case where MT gets stunned and is unable to taunt back and since the Taunt Tank is potentially out of range of heals getting gibbed.
Tough call here. Firstly I'd say it is a creative solution to the breathes that Blizzard probably didn't anticipate when they changed taunt mechanics.
When things like this happen I think it rests on Blizzard to step up and make a statement or change the mechanics of his breath. Of course, I'm sure many of us saw these types of things coming after ranged taunts were added. Not exactly sure why they did in the first place. Anyone have reference to why they did?
If this is considered an exploit then what about the hunter distracting shot rotation on Razuvious? No one knows for sure but Blizzard probably never thought about that possibility and they haven't done anything to fix it.
Nice strat, very creative I never would have thought of doing Sarth this way.
I'm not terribly concerned for a few reasons, though.
First, this strategy takes two tanks to do what one tank (Death Knight) was already capable of. If you want a tank other than a Death Knight to handle Sartharion and eat the breaths, you're already cycling abilities like Guardian Spirit -- which causes you to take a breath and die, then get a freebie saving heal. That doesn't strike me as much different than having a player dedicated to taunting him to avoid breaths we know will kill our tank.
Second, this shifts responsibility and adds complexity rather than removing it. We already have a lineup of players ready to Guardian Spirit, Divine Shield w/ Divine Guardian, Sacrifice, etc., to cycle abilities on our tank, and we use most of these in this video. The taunt strategy is a redundancy with failsafes, like many of our strategies.
Finally, this has always been possible to do via a Taunt/Intervene macro or a quick Hunter shot (Hunters naturally outrange Sartharion).
It may very well be unintended. The strategy is not so different, however, that we're going to suddenly be unable to kill him if they change his breath range, since we can do essentially the same thing with a Death Knight taunting and cycling cooldowns, or just continue as-is using only cooldowns from other classes to keep Manbear alive.
Keep in mind, for every Brutallus, you can also point to a Chromaggus or Firemaw, where the strategy was specifically to avoid abilities and most guilds assumed it was exploiting because it had never been done before.
Hats off to you Cider, seeing a video of the fight really shows just how complex it is. My head is still spinning a bit.
Tanks: We like it rough.
Just throwing this out there, but my rogues guild runs 3 tanks, 5-6 healers, 16-17 dps and we kill Tenebron before Shadron lands, and Shadron is *usually* dead if not at most 5% left when Vesperon lands.
Taunting him to avoid the breath is brilliant.
My guild hasn't gotten this achievement yet, we're having problems keeping our Sarth tank alive after Vesp lands; your method will make beating him much easier.
I've gotta say, it wouldn't surprise me if this gets nerfed, and we log in one day to find Sarth untauntable.
Was there a link provided to the filefront page with the whole movie on it, or did I missed that?