Naxxramas The Immortal

[Naaven]

Thank you Edge, this will help my warrior and my mage. I never know when S&B procs nor when Brain freeze/ fingers of frost do either.

I use Power Auras for this. Power Auras is also good for keeping track of buffs and whatnot.

[Xav]

Xav:

a) Any chance of a chardev.org list of that block set?

b) Did I misread the infected wound ability? I thought at 99 stacks, you'd be taking +9900 damage for every hit, and several of them beating on you at once. How do you block through that?

chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

About 90% coverage from gear + 5% from mob base miss, rest is covered by raid buffs. (typically you can't get 102.4% unless you had like insect swarm/scorpid up on the mob, so anything without those up you're close to capped)

At 97~% coverage you're still blocking just about everything!

And the +9900 is added to their base swing, which means it still has to go through armor, then finally block value. Block is calculated at the very end of all attacks, even after shield wall

[Xav]

If base zombie damage is 1500, and you have +9900, that brings the base zombie damage to 11400

If you have 63% armor mitigation raid buffed, you're taking 37% damage.

11400 * .37 = 4218

Defensive stance, 4218 * .9 = 3796 damage.

If you have 1671 block value with raid buffs, you'll have 10% more with glyph of blocking (tbh I don't know how it interacts, i'll just say it's 10% more for this) = 1838 block value.

So you'll take a maximum of 3796 - 1838 = 1958 damage. This also isn't even counting Demo Shout, but I'm not sure how demo shout will interact with base mob damage and then debuffs added to that. It will probably only alter the base, in which case demo will do next to nothing.

[Ciderhelm]

what you said about grob, is that 100% confirmed?

as in did you have a week were the only death on any fight was someone dieing in a poison cloud and you not get the achievement?

we had someone die to the adds about 20 seconds after the boss died, did that cost us the title? we had a dc on saph so it there is no way of knowing but i would really like to know one way or the other with 100% certainty not just speculation


again what you said about thad, how do you know unless the only death was to a charge the whole run. The difference between grob and thad is that the poison clouds keep you in combat, on thad you get out of combat as soon as the boss dies.

it is my belief that as long as you are out of combat, the charge would not count against the achievement and the only reason grob counts is because you are still in combat.

Is it 100% confirmed? Nope. It's based off pre-3.0.8 reports from a handful of guilds dealing with Undying.

Do you want to risk it?

[Darksend]

Is it 100% confirmed? Nope. It's based off pre-3.0.8 reports from a handful of guilds dealing with Undying.

Do you want to risk it?

nah i was asking more out of curiosity because we were having a huge debate/turned into a bet on if that person that died to a slime after grob died cost us the title.

we litterally talked about it the entire rest of the night except on boss pulls and i was hoping you had 100% confirmation so i coulda won the bet lol

either way HUGE GRATS!!!!!!!!!

[Nebuchadneza]

Grats Cider,

9 people in our guild got the Undying tag a couple of weeks back. The 10th person DC'd halfway through Kel and reconnected just after we got him down. Unfortunately he missed the title (but was able to loot badges from the boss) and contacting a GM didn't resolve it for him.

[Seph]

Gratz on the Achievement Cider! I'll try it myself someday as soon as I find a good guild =x

I solo tank the Zombies of Gluth in Naxx25 too... because tanking the boss is SO boring.
On 10man tanking the adds is less than trivial: you stand still, hit the zombie, do your tanky stuff, wait for the next one and so it goes...

[Belak]

chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

About 90% coverage from gear + 5% from mob base miss, rest is covered by raid buffs. (typically you can't get 102.4% unless you had like insect swarm/scorpid up on the mob, so anything without those up you're close to capped)

At 97~% coverage you're still blocking just about everything!

And the +9900 is added to their base swing, which means it still has to go through armor, then finally block value. Block is calculated at the very end of all attacks, even after shield wall

Thanks Xav! That's a big help. Plus it's a fun set to aim for. I always loved doing "Stupid Tank Tricks" with full block sets. It annoyed my feral friends, which is always a worthwhile goal.

[Criminalmind<eu-eonar>]

Gratz dude,

but i disagree with the Instructor boss. With some descent priests, u won't loose any people. I did instructor about 2 times, and both times no deaths. Another fact is, that the 4 wings are easy compared to naxx[10]. You only need players that understand their classes, know all tactics. especially the last. sapphiron and kel'thuzad are 2 hard bosses. And i admire youre guilds prestation about it. (thumbs up)

[Pirika]

It seems that all video on youtube have been removed? or its only me telling the video is no longer available?

Gratz to Cinderhelm The Immortal and all your guild members!

[Jash]

Gratz dude,

but i disagree with the Instructor boss. With some descent priests, u won't loose any people. I did instructor about 2 times, and both times no deaths. Another fact is, that the 4 wings are easy compared to naxx[10]. You only need players that understand their classes, know all tactics. especially the last. sapphiron and kel'thuzad are 2 hard bosses. And i admire youre guilds prestation about it. (thumbs up)

We also did Undying about 2 weeks before Immortal

[Ciderhelm]

Gratz dude,

but i disagree with the Instructor boss. With some descent priests, u won't loose any people. I did instructor about 2 times, and both times no deaths. Another fact is, that the 4 wings are easy compared to naxx[10]. You only need players that understand their classes, know all tactics. especially the last. sapphiron and kel'thuzad are 2 hard bosses. And i admire youre guilds prestation about it. (thumbs up)

Every guild may have different hot spots. Razuvious hadn't been a problem for a month, but we still played it safe, because we did have a player die 3 weeks ago. Adjust strats and start point by where your guild has specific issues.

Per 10 to 25-man, part of what makes 25-mans easier than 10-mans is that a player can die and the raid can make up for it whereas that's much harder in a 10-man setting. However, when encounters are held to the standard of "nobody can die," 25-mans become exponentially more difficult even without factoring encounter changes such as mind control on kel'thuzad. This is a mathematical truth, backed up by where the achievements are relative to each other; Immortal is the rarest achievement right now, with fewer than 100 guilds worldwide having completed it, whereas Undying has been completed many thousands of times over.

[serge]

Haha did you make a sex change? I've seen a male human warrior on some other guides.

[Criminalmind<eu-eonar>]

Every guild may have different hot spots. Razuvious hadn't been a problem for a month, but we still played it safe, because we did have a player die 3 weeks ago. Adjust strats and start point by where your guild has specific issues.

Per 10 to 25-man, part of what makes 25-mans easier than 10-mans is that a player can die and the raid can make up for it whereas that's much harder in a 10-man setting. However, when encounters are held to the standard of "nobody can die," 25-mans become exponentially more difficult even without factoring encounter changes such as mind control on kel'thuzad. This is a mathematical truth, backed up by where the achievements are relative to each other; Immortal is the rarest achievement right now, with fewer than 100 guilds worldwide having completed it, whereas Undying has been completed many thousands of times over.

it is still a nice prestation, because it is hard to let no one die in one run. especially 25 people. And youre right about the hotspots, were wiping on Heroic Thadius that is still a son of a

[Wao]

Thank you Edge, this will help my warrior and my mage. I never know when S&B procs nor when Brain freeze/ fingers of frost do either.

You could try Power Auras Classic as well. For those of us who need a giant icon over our face to know when somethings of CD or missing or procced.

[Edit: Damn, Naaven beat me to it alreadu]

[CrimsonTemplar]

Any chance you could post that Holy Paladin talent spec you mentioned in the video?

Thanks.

[Pretiorc]

chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

Thanks for this, was looking into building a block set and it will save me a lot of time. Much appreciated link!

[rmd83]

grats on getting the title cider, the guild i'm in isn't hardcore in the least bit and i'd say for us this achievement would be impossible atm since we don't like to rush things and all the bio breaks, r/l crap, ect... if we ever try for it we're going to have to set a date on a saturday or sunday and start it early in the day. Oh btw does it have to be the same group you go in with or can you swap people out who are better at certain bosses

[Ray]

grats on getting the title cider, the guild i'm in isn't hardcore in the least bit and i'd say for us this achievement would be impossible atm since we don't like to rush things and all the bio breaks, r/l crap, ect... if we ever try for it we're going to have to set a date on a saturday or sunday and start it early in the day. Oh btw does it have to be the same group you go in with or can you swap people out who are better at certain bosses

You can get the immortals title if you swap people, but its only the people present on the KT kill that get the achievement. So really, unless you want to cuz tons of drama, I would just go in with one good group.

And this is totally doable by any guild as Cider said, you just need to be dedicated to geting it done.

[Ciderhelm]

I've added more detailed notes in.