Prot Warrior DPS and TPS Decrease Post 3.08?

[maexio]

I've been reading and asking questions for a couple of days now (since i noticed a significant drop in my recount dps in heroics i do all the time...)

I haven't really seen anything concrete on any 'changes' that have been made that should affect this...

My armory Page here The World of Warcraft Armory

I haven't gotten any new 'drops' since before the patch.. (Actually the shield I'm wearing in armory atm is new, but I don't typically tank with it)

Normal 'Switch Out' items :
Shields :
The Skull of Ruin - Item - World of Warcraft (just dropped, going to put the +40sbv enchant on it)
Titansteel Shield Wall - Item - World of Warcraft (with +20 Def Enchant)
Royal Crest of Lordaeron - Item - World of Warcraft (Just dropped, haven't decided on enchant)
Normally I run with the Titansteel (and did before the patch 100% as i didn't have the other two)

Neck :
Chained Military Gorget - Item - World of Warcraft or
Medallion of the Disgraced - Item - World of Warcraft

I've had easily a 300 - 500 dps drop in boss fights and trash, and a 1k - 1.5k drop in TPS showing in Omen...

This hasn't been more than a frustration until last night on Gluth I had threat issues trying to hold from my Offtank..

I've tried changing rotations, adjusting my macros, etc.. and will work on all of that, but it still doesn't explain why Pre 3.0.8 vs Post 3.0.8 had such a drop.. I didn't start to 'change' my rotations, etc, until I noticed the drop.. and have continued to change back.

Also, I typically Expertise Buff Food and Stoneblood Flask for all raids.

[Alkaladar]

Hey mate, at the risk of sticking my neck out. I to have noticed an almost 1.5-2k threat decrease.
The weird thing ive also noticed is that when shield slam crits for 5-6k it only generates about 4.5k tps. I posted something previously on the forums in the hope that any other people were having the same probs. Thought it was me untill guild members and friends alike commented on my TPS decrease.

The only assumptions i can make is that something in our tanking style has changed, and again at the risk of sticking my neck out, is very unlikely as a difference in tanking style from one night to the next is almost impossible.

[maexio]

Thanks for 'sticking your neck out'..

I have a Feral Druid that noticed the same thing in his tanking gear. His dps, tps went waay down.

Nothing official on this, and was expecting more 'tankspot forums' on it.. as a matter of fact, i lurk the forums trying to find Anything that might explain this.. other than latency..

[Alkaladar]

yer i tried to explain it away as lat, but cant when your all green.

The sticking my neck out bit comes from my apprehension to explain this problem as on the warrior wow forum all i got was internet tough guy/ 17 year old answers. no offense intended to mature 17 year olds.

again thanks for the input. nice to hear im not alone here.

[Kazeyonoma]

I'd imagine that largely this is an Addon failure (Omen) that is not updated for 3.0.8 and as such is miscalcualting the threat generated. DPS wise I haven't noticed any decrease at all.

[ndb1983]

I have noticed on Gluth that when the OT taunts him off of me if I dont quit doing yellow attacks that I will grab him back, maybe that helps.

[humwawa]

Same thing. Have been tanking heroics for a few weeks without any problems and as soon as 3.08 hit its been wipe central. I don't have numbers to back it up, so it may be group related, but am having a significantly harder time holding aggro since the patch.

[maexio]

I'd imagine that largely this is an Addon failure (Omen)

I thought that as well, but my wws reflects Recount, and it is showing a similar drop in DPS..

Thanks for the point on Gluth...

I was thinking maybe they adjusted the amount DW does, or the amount of rage generation from some abilities and nobody had posted it.. I'll try to do more theory crafting, but I was at 1.5 - 2k consistently in Heroic 5mans, and now am at 1k - 1.4 k in them on Recount and WWS...

Perhaps Recount is now more accurate... Of course, perhaps stuff is going down quicker... Not sure.. was really hoping to hear a 'Thats because they nerfed the damage of your .... ability or your ... stats dropped in 3.0.8 and you should have known that.. ' oh well, at least i'm not getting a L2p response

[Muffin Man]

The weird thing ive also noticed is that when shield slam crits for 5-6k it only generates about 4.5k tps. I posted something previously on the forums in the hope that any other people were having the same probs. Thought it was me untill guild members and friends alike commented on my TPS decrease.

This sounds like a bug somewhere since there have been a few threads on this, plus the numbers you reported don't even make sense.

5 - 6k damage should be generating 10 - 12k just from the damage + multiplier alone... and without a multiplier you should *never* generate less threat than damage done.

I haven't noticed any threat or dps differences on my end in 5 mans. But I haven't done a whole lot of tanking since patch day. Plus I'm messing around with Arms atm.

I have however had some weird threat issues (not tps) in raids last week. 4hm seemed buggy to me on Naxx/25 with taunt not actually putting me on top of the aggro table. Sarth/10 kept wandering away from me, I assumed the ot was using an aoe taunt and I didn't check my threat level to confirm. And a warlock pulled aggro on Stone Watcher when Blizz showed me at 100% threat (the warlock wasn't even top dps, although it's possible he died to a rock shower and didn't want to admit it).

[Rhyseh]

I noticed a DPS decrease according to recount last 25 man, unfortunatly I have yet to confirm this as loggerhead was broken and didn't output the combat log for the fight, I'll report my WWS findings later this week when I do patch again, I have received some direct upgrades since then so my DPS should be much higher.

I have noticed I'm having substantial amounts of trouble holding aggro off my feral OT now, this may be due to their itemisation buff with last patch. Either way I need to look at WWS and compare damage done etc.

[Grondax]

I've noticed this, and I would like to put forth one possible answer.

Every week I enjoy Patchwerk as a Staple to test my DPS against, and Thaddius just to see myself beat several of our weaker DPS on him. To set a standard my DPS on Patchwerk pre-3.08 was 2.8k and the fight lasted about 3:20.

So I'm going off on Thaddius and I suddenly start to get very annoyed, because deep wounds is falling off for long stretches of time. I looked at my log afterwards and I had 8.9% crit on 43 revenges on Thaddius. My base crit at the time unbuffed was 9.06%, and raid buffed (with talents) the crit percentage is over 35%.

This turned out to be an extreme example, but my logs for this week show a marked decrease in my abilities critically hitting across the board.

Maybe the random number fairy just hated me this week, but these abysmal logs combined with seeing this post peaked my attention.

[Kazeyonoma]

hrm, that's a significant drop even for the number fairy. I'll have to check my logs and see where my crit is sitting at as well. And if it's our crits failing that would account for a rather large % decrease in both dps and tps, especially with Deep Wounds falling off.

[Alkaladar]

5 - 6k damage should be generating 10 - 12k just from the damage + multiplier alone... and without a multiplier you should *never* generate less threat than damage done.

Yer, this i am all to painfully aware off. I basically use this as my, im not crazy point, generating such a low amount of threat off a high threat ability. Even if it was just standard threat, it would have to generate the 5.5-6k shield slam damage, not a measly 4.5k.
I will also add in that i have noticed a fall in amount of crits i am receiving throughout a encounter. That said, even when i crit, its not generating the threat it should be.

[Ketimuth]

Thank goodness for this thread, I have wondered about it myself. The best I have managed is 1600dps in a heroic with favourable buffs, otherwise my dps is dipping down to 1200 range fairly regularly both of which would have been a REAL bad showing only a couple weeks ago.

I also noticed a similar problem with taunt as mentioned above. On Raz I was chillin' hanging out with one of the extra MC targets waiting on him being used all was fine till he was briefly used to tank Raz before him being given back to me. At that point I had to play tug of war with the mob with taunt for a few minutes as he repeatedly kept going back to the pally healer while taunt seemed to refuse to apply threat. Since then I have not seen a problem with taunt, so I took it as a isolated glitch possibly involving the mind controlling.

[maexio]

I'm running a couple wings of Naxx tonight. i'll record my latency (at various points / each boss) and also run a wws. I will also compare my character crit stats to the wws report...

I can't say for sure, but i think i'm seeing less DW on mobs, but haven't checked the status of the 'stance dance' or the inherent threat in a ss.

[Angry Grimace]

I'd imagine that largely this is an Addon failure (Omen) that is not updated for 3.0.8 and as such is miscalcualting the threat generated. DPS wise I haven't noticed any decrease at all.

The Addon cannot calculate it wrong. Omen no longer calculates anything: post 3.0.2 Blizzard's ingame actual threat data is available; Omen simply reports a number you used to not be able to actually see. The numbers that Omen and other threatmeters report is the 100% accurate threat data the game is using.

[Kazeyonoma]

I understand how blizzard reports threat in game now, I just assumed that it's possible that it was manipulated into a number that follows our trends (much like how Satrina's numbers are normally much larger from in game and after a conversion become our usual 440 threat from shield slam, etc etc) and that something changed on Blizzards end, even if it's the way they report threat that could cause Omen to bork. Unless omen literally takes the threat from the game given as is, and just outputs it to the addon UI there's still a chance that it's reporting it wrong. It was just an option, it seems that threat does pose a problem to the people in this thread so there very well may be a problem with warrior threat but I personally have not seen a problem in both dps or tps decreasing post 3.0.8.

[JG!]

I watch my dps on recount, My gear has improved alot since 3.08 but my dps is lower. I used to have no problem with threat but now Im having fits, Ive gone to a threat weapon now . trying to get things better. First indication is when I lost threat on Loatheb twice.

[Vaevictis]

The Addon cannot calculate it wrong. Omen no longer calculates anything: post 3.0.2 Blizzard's ingame actual threat data is available; Omen simply reports a number you used to not be able to actually see. The numbers that Omen and other threatmeters report is the 100% accurate threat data the game is using.

I have seen Omen differ from the threat you see when doing a mouse over of a boss by as much as 20%.

[Muffin Man]

Yer, this i am all to painfully aware off. I basically use this as my, im not crazy point, generating such a low amount of threat off a high threat ability. Even if it was just standard threat, it would have to generate the 5.5-6k shield slam damage, not a measly 4.5k.
I will also add in that i have noticed a fall in amount of crits i am receiving throughout a encounter. That said, even when i crit, its not generating the threat it should be.

Ya, basically why I'm assuming this is a bug somewhere (that and the fact that more than one poster has said this).

I noticed there was a new patch today (with no notes). Maybe it's a minor bug fix? Or maybe I'm crazy and there was no patch.