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    Shield block rating in WotLK

    It'd be great to get some opinions on this, and how the 30 second cooldown on the shield block ability will affect how we treat shield block rating as a tanking stat. My thoughts on it can be found on my blog, here: Big and Beautiful. All just speculation pending the final version of the expansion of course, but fun speculation all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arudar View Post
    It'd be great to get some opinions on this, and how the 30 second cooldown on the shield block ability will affect how we treat shield block rating as a tanking stat. My thoughts on it can be found on my blog, here: Big and Beautiful. All just speculation pending the final version of the expansion of course, but fun speculation all the same.
    My personal opinion is we will treat SBR just as we do now. We will likely want to have a balance of Block, Dodge, and Parry. With appropriate talents, Warriors will receive 2 rage everytime one of these events occur. I see Shield Block as an ability to use when the boss is about to do something really nasty (like a Hateful Strike), and not something we spam because we have to.

    SBV will still be very important for a number of reasons. It's looking like it will still scale with Shield Slam, and who knows what else.
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    My personal opinion is we will treat SBR just as we do now. We will likely want to have a balance of Block, Dodge, and Parry.
    Except that's not how we treat it now. Right now, we treat block rating as an empty stat, because for 90% of fights it doesn't do anything for us. The only time we care about block rating is when we're tanking multiple mobs, or a mob who attacks faster than we can keep Shield Block (the ability) up.

    In WotLK, block rating will still be less important than Dodge/Defense/Parry, but it will actually be doing something for us. And the shield block ability will not be mashed, it will likely be timed for when we see a burst coming, or cleaves, or shears, or whatever newfangled boss mechanics Blizzard dreams up.

    One thing that I'm wondering, though, is if it's going to wind up being a nerf to the T5 2pc bonus for people who are still working through TBC content.

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    I'll be surprised if we see much shield block rating at all. It's no longer needed to avoid crushing blows, and Death Knights don't need it...
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    Ya I think you can expect the only place we'll be consistently getting Block Rating from is whatever we get from Defense and Talents. Certainly there'll be a trinket or two focused on it I suppose.

    Ultimately, Blizz's agenda seems to be to make as much loot that everyone can use. About the only place you can guarantee Block Rating will be showing up on is Tier pieces. Likely in large amounts for Paladins and moderate amounts for Warriors.

    With so much loot being generic, I think we may find that Tier pieces are going to actually be highly sought after this time around as they should be very focused on the class they cater to. (I really hope that Badge-style gear doesn't overlap with Tier gear this time either)

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    I would love to see tier gear being the best gear available at a certian level.

    In other words I would to see T7 being the best per slot you can get until T8. Unlike how there are simply better dungeon items than tier items. Like how the gaunts of enforcement are often favored over t6 gaunts. I think blizz should make the tier set the best thing to wear.
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    If Blizzard makes any tanking item the "best thing to wear", I'll be very sad. Half of what makes playing a tank fun is the fact that you have 3 different items to choose from for a given slot on a given fight, and having the observational skills to know which you should be wearing.

    If I wanted to have a "best in slot" item, I would've rolled a rogue or a mage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andenthal View Post
    Warriors will receive 2 rage everytime one of these events occur.
    1 Rage according to latest wotlk patch notes

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    Protection

    * Shield Specialization now generates 1 rage (old: 2 rage) when a block occurs.

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    Hehe ebs, i seem to find you on the opposing end of virtually everything i post, sure makes for an interesting time lol.

    Allow me to qualify my prior statement: I would like to see tier gear be ON PAR if not better than stuff that drops in the same instance. Example: the gauntlets off maiden are arguably much better than the t4 which i think is a very poor thing for Blizz to do, especially since it drops in the same instance, and off an earlier boss. That's what i don't like about current tier gear. Actually, come to think about it Blizz just makes crappy warrior tier gloves for tanking lol.

    And to Gardek's last post: Yay more warrior nerfage.
    Last edited by Krashtork; 07-29-2008 at 12:55 PM. Reason: Saw gardeks post: Yay more warrior nerfage.
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    But Maidens and T4 gloves are a bad example, they are a clear example of what Curnguz was hoping for. 2 pieces, of really good gear from the same instance, one is enormously better than the other for avoidance, and the other is better for EH/threat. Different purposes, but both good for their gear level. At that level there isn't a better Avoidance glove than t4. So where is the disadvantage in that?

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    Exactly, Kaze The only thing that has hurt this balance is the badge gear, which become "best in slot" until you get to T5 and have other options (ex: the 2.4 belt isn't going to be replaced for avoidance OR threat OR EH until you get Leo's belt for avoidance).

    And Krash, don't take it personally, I pretty much am devil's advocate all the time. It's just in my nature (and it's beneficial in my job as a software developer: look at things from all sides to find the best solution).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lore View Post
    I'll be surprised if we see much shield block rating at all. It's no longer needed to avoid crushing blows, and Death Knights don't need it...
    So far on wowhead's wotlk section, I have not seen any new tanking rings, necks, cloaks or trinkets that have block rating or parry on them, but do have defense and/or dodge. I've also not seen any new tanking plate pieces with block rating on them, but they do have parry, dodge and defense.

    I am thinking though that prot warrior and prot paladin shields, set pieces and any other class specific items are likely going to have large amounts of shield block rating on them (a perfect example: Blade-Binding Bulwark - Item - World of Warcraft). I would actually be really surprised if there are not going to be many items with block rating. From a warrior perspective, block is looking like it will be much more valuable with the changes to the shield block value from strength formula and also talents like critical block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebs2002 View Post
    And the shield block ability will not be mashed, it will likely be timed for when we see a burst coming, or cleaves, or shears, or whatever newfangled boss mechanics Blizzard dreams up.
    Ebs - that's what I meant. I realized after the fact that I did not word my post correctly. What I meant is that SBR will probably not be something sought after/gemmed for/etc, but just something you get on your gear as it comes.

    About the change that gardek posted - I typcially use WoWhead, they are obviously not up to speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by LORE
    I'll be surprised if we see much shield block rating at all. It's no longer needed to avoid crushing blows, and Death Knights don't need it...
    Neither do Druids, but that does not imply that Warriors or Paladins will not. Totally different tanking mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veneretio View Post
    With so much loot being generic, I think we may find that Tier pieces are going to actually be highly sought after this time around as they should be very focused on the class they cater to. (I really hope that Badge-style gear doesn't overlap with Tier gear this time either)
    Hmm this is an upside to the generic loot thing that I hadn't thought of. Up until now, the flattening of gear between 3 tanking classes has depressed me - I don't want to be wearing the same stuff as the light-flinger next to me. Half the fun of this game is in the individualism of the classes, after all. But I'm definitely warming somewhat to the idea of fairly-generic-useful-for-any-tank gear, if it means the tier sets become the specialised, sought-after bits for your class. It gives some deserving prestige (and advantage) back to the tier sets, which they seem to be lacking in BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andenthal View Post
    Neither do Druids, but that does not imply that Warriors or Paladins will not. Totally different tanking mechanics.
    Druids don't wear plate, though, which was my point - for any shared itemization, block rating is at best unlikely.

    Set items and shields could easily have block rating though, as Mardran said.
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    This popped up today.
    MMO-Champion - World of Warcraft Guides and Raid Strategies

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    Warrior
    We're currently getting back to work on the Warrior, expect changes in an upcoming build.

    Additionally note (bottom one, top one is interesting especially with gear changing?):-

    WotLK Multi Talent Spec
    We talked about this recently at the Worldwide Invitational actually. We are looking into allowing players to basically have two talent specs that they can switch between but we are still working out the exact details so we will have to wait and see exactly how it will function in-game.

    WotLK Classes Changes and pre-WotLK Gear
    We hope to retroactively change some of the gear on live so the transition is less painful for classes whose core mechanics are changing.
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