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Thread: Leotheras the Progression-stopper!

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    Leotheras the Progression-stopper!

    Leo has given our guild quite a bit of trouble. I've seen a lot of things happening, such as locks keeping dots up in the WW phase, which last right thru. Another lock drained life the entire time and didn't stop until he got ownt...

    Good times. We've tried a few things, the searing totem seems to be the best plan from what I've seen. After the first try on our 4th night on him it was brought up that we should have the paladin tank simply because of the shield toss ability....which he promptly proved there was no time to use.

    Out of WW and out of Demon form is the toughest, I usually start with a shield slam and heroic strike right out of the gate between phases, sometimes it isn't enought, seems we need to tighten up the raid a bit there.

    All that said I think the worst thing is inner demon. Every fight where we start to look good I end up with a demon. I have 630ish BV in my current effective health set, tried switching to 2 swords, worked horribly. My best try was also the worst, as I shield slammed and heroic'ed away at the demon, I brought him down to 1 hit point....right before Leo went elf form and got me MCed at 30%, which to date is the furthest we've got him to.

    Anyone have any possible tricks that might assist us, besides the obvious tightening of our squad?
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    I was wondering about your paladin tank and how he was timing his avengers shield/judgment?

    I have been the main tank on guild first kills in two separate guilds now on this guy and have never had an issue with shield timing or not being able to be in judgment range if for some reason my shield misses/bad timing.

    Starting the fight off with avengers shield is a bad idea. Concecrate should be placed in leos's path before he breaks loose and judgment of righteoussness should be used to secure initial aggro. Avengers shield should be saved for when whirlwinds end. He/She should watch their boss timers very closely and start the avengers shield cast 1 second to half a second BEFORE whirlwind ends. The shield should hit just as leo's aggro resets and I f the dps is being intelligent that should be more then enough to stick leo to your paladin tank.

    If your paladin tank has low hit rating then it is very advisable for them to make every effort to be in range of judgment as well when whirlwind ends. Three points in pursuit of justice helps with this greatly, short of that boars speed on their boots also helps.


    If you don't have the paladin on him I'm not sure your effective health set is the best for this guy. If you have a gear set more oriented towards threat I would very much recommend using that gear set instead. Fully raid buffed I am at about 22.5k health in my EH set, on this fight I go down to about 18.5k. The loss of health/armor is very worth the added threat imo.

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    If the paladin tank has BigWigs or any similar addon, he should start casting Avenger Shield already when the whirlwind has 1.0 seconds left. In that way it will hit the boss right after WW ends, ensuring aggro. Being you alliance, he should also stack SoV on boss during Demon Phase, a JoV right after phase switch is HUGE aggro.

    Whoever is tanking elf phase btw doesn't need many HP tbh. I tanked him with less than 17k and had no problems.
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    Its hard for a warrior to grab aggro after the reset so we have the warrior (mix of tank/dps gear) and druid tank it. Usually the bear would grab him before me with a big mangle hit. Intervene is great for positioning before the reset and totems will usually bring him to the center.

    To kill your demon as a prot warrior isn't so hard.

    When he switches to demon, switch to battle stance, cast Battle Shout and get a full rage bar, if you aren't the target, switch back to def/commanding and tank as usual. If you are chosen as a target, just use devestate making absolutely sure you retain 25 rage. When he casts a shadowbolt (1.5s cast I think), reflect it. Devestates and 1 reflect will kill your demon with ~10 sec left.

    If you're having problems, stack the raid a bit. You need 2 tanks, Warlock and 1 leo tank (2 if you worried you wont pick him up). Bring more dps in to replace the tanks you used on trash. Its horrible to have to sit out for this, but this isn't the only fight where you're "gimping" your raid having more than 1-2 tanks (Vashj, Archimonde, Teron)

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    Just as a note, you don't need a warlock tank, you can have a paladin-druid-warrior there with same results (if not better due to proper threat generation)
    Worlde - Prot Paladin
    Darkworldie - Tank DW Frost DK
    Uord - Prot Warrior
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    I've always just worn a passive uncrush (vs. dual wielder) set and it's been plenty fine. We typically beat the enrage timer by 1-3 minutes. We're also off the norm in that we use a warrior in FR gear for demon phase 90% of the time.

    When you get demon, keep your shield on. White damage only until you know whether you will get a demon or not. Use spell reflect. If necessary, eat some fire for rage.

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    If you have a prot paladin he can solo tank leo and you can put on dps gear \o/ and be able to kill your add (hopefully).

    1.- Avengers shield is based on melee hit and thus it only takes 96hit rating and precision to cap, I did it with none capped hit but be sure to have 2 hunters in the raid. I did not use searing totems. As said you need to time it with bigwigs or DBM to when leo's whirlwind has 1 second left. They should also be following him ready to judge him as well as stacking high threat gear (leo hits like a girl belf).
    2. Allow no dots in human form and only in demon form
    3. Melee dps can go in on human form to do some dps


    If your paladin is having problems throwing a shield at a moving target, you might want to look for a new one xD its 'the' paladin tank fight and we excel at it alot. If they can get 96 hit rating (20 from food, so 76 it eliminates the chance to miss the pick up though searing totems and missdirects can make up for this as well as using seal of vengeance because it applies a DoT so even if they miss and are out of range of judgement they can still get lucky with a dot tick.

    As I said its really a fight paladins can take control over completely but they need to relax the whole way through and not panic and only use avengers shield when whirlwind breaks.

    As a warrior you have issues with leo running off across the room etc. its doable and has been done I advise wearing some dps items and less health just maintain uncrittability..

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    As a warrior tanking him, you need to let him lead you a bit while whirlwinding so you can aim cross his path just as the whirlwind ends and hit him in the face with your shield. It's not very hard once you've practiced it a couple of times.

    Paladin shield is just lazy mode ^_^

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    We had almost 0 issues with Leo, 3 wipes after 15% before he died, your problem seems to be people just not paying attention to what they are doing, if a lock is throwing dots out during human phase replace them, if your paladin cant pick him up find a new one because he probably shouldn't be trusted to tank for you anymore.

    As for inner demons just like it was said above, you will actually have time for a second reflect but it should be executable/dead by that time.

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    Have your shamans lay down searing totems, and generally just ease down on the DPS when a transition is incoming.

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    For demon killing....shield slam and devastate spam, don't use rage on heroic strikes. Instead, be ready to spell reflect his shadow bolts....each one does ~3k damage.

    Hop into battle stance during the last WW of the Belf phase, try to get rended to get a full rage bar, then just auto attack / keep sunder up on the demon. When you get your demon, tab target him quickly, pop your autoblocker if you have it, and go to town on him. Be sure to spell reflect the shadow bolts and it's honestly not too bad.

    Lastly, be sure to get back in D stance before Leo comes back out. Try to get some rage as well, but that can be hard if you had to kill your demon.


    Really though, it sounds like the problem you're having is dps not respecting the aggro wipes. Have folks stop extra early, esp on stuff like DoTs, and you'll be fine. Stress that most of the dps is done during the demon form and the Belf phase is all about survival.

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    Have you got a Feral-Druid? This works best for us. Tanks Leo nicely and can decently DPS the inner Demon.

    Being a prot Warri myself, I switch to DPS gear for that fight, - and you can easily off tank one of those three guys right at the start. You don't need high end stuff. The Decapitator and an Season 2 offhand works fine for me. Another way to kill the inner demons is to spell reflect their mindblast two times. I found that to be unsafe

    Overall we had a similar experience at Leo, constantly wiping three or four weeks. Keep it up though, it's probably the first real achievement in SSC

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    I tank Leo in a mix of dps and tank gear. Get uncrittable through resilience (arena gear is great here) and defense. For the inner demon, as soon as leo switches to demon form i change to battle stance, hit bloodrage, and start meleeing to fill rage bar. If i get inner demon, i spam ONLY devastate until i can reflect a shadow bolt. After i reflect one bolt I use shield slam/devastate/execute whatever is needed to finish it off. To put it simply, as a protection warrior if you miss the spell reflect you will fail.

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    You could pop recklessness for your demon I guess... once anyway ;-)

    Our druids tank him and I wear dps gear so I never have a problem. We use a warlock tank for the demon phase (he has special gear and respecs for it, makes it super easy), we dps him to 18% (just before split) then stop and wait for the stacks to fall off the warlock, then carry on.

    We got Leo down our 3rd try ever, mainly thanks to our great warlock, but got stuck for ages on Tidewalker.

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    Look at it this way. The only time anyone other than the tank is in danger of dying is when leo whirlwinds.. using this knowledge, before whirlwind everyone, not just melee, everyone runs to the wall out of range of him.

    The dps you lose is insignificant compared to the dps you lose when a raid dpser dies. Having 25/25 people alive at 15% increases your chances of getting a kill significantly more than a couple of more dots or damage done during the human whirlwind phase.

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    Got him to 6% last attempt. I did the spell reflect thing and just tanked with my Spiteblade. We're going again tonight to kick his teeth in, thank you all for the excellent responses!
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    Hmm. Having a s-priest as my main, I have to say that I don't think its a huge deal that dots tick over onto human phase.

    I've never really timed my dots... just simply neglected to refresh them too close to the transition. And honestly, one or two ticks do usually go off but somehow the searing totem always pulls Leo first, and if the tank is positioned near him and shield slam doesn't miss (hit rating pls), I've never had an issue with pulling on transition.

    Honestly, people pull aggro so far on badly timed direct damage nukes, trying to squeeze in one last Nightfall shadowbolt or a fireball right as he transitions. DoTs shouldn't be a huge problem unless the tank is in the wrong position to pick him up at transition, in my biased opinion. And on transitions to human/after WW, everyone should be collapsing back towards the tank, not far out in some corner so he runs so far away if a DoT pulls aggro that the tank cannot intervene/intercept. And most warlocks worth their salt can survive one hit from Leo... and there's always BoP/fade/soul shatter/invis.

    I hated it when people claim you shouldn't be dotting on Leo at all (not the people here obviously). Good luck killing him before he enrages. We regularly smash him way before enrage. DoTs are a good 60-70% of a dot classes' DPS on movement fights like these.

    If there's an issue with this, which I really think a fast pick up will solve, have 2 hunters in your raid doing an MD rotation.

    Oh and stack block value and hit for Leo human tanking. You need that aggro gen to pick him up fast, and the shield block value lets you SS/Dev spam your demon in time. And yes, Spell Reflect owns.

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    I equip about a 50/50 mix of tank and dps gear for this fight. The boss doesn't really hit that hard.

    When the boss goes into demon form, assume battle stance. Keep hitting the boss for rage and conserve it. You have about 25 seconds to fill your rage bar. You can use some specials but don't be overly aggressive. Keep rage high because you will need it.

    When your demon comes, you want a full rage bar. Target it quickly. It's easy to lose precious seconds early. Watch for the casting bar on your demon throughout and Spell Reflect when required. Devastate it fully in the meantime. When your rage gets low hit Bloodrage. Continue white damage attacks and Shield Slams. As your inner demon approaches 25% or so, build up your rage for execute when it becomes available.

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    I suppose it's really down to your equipment, but I can tank him just fine in full prot gear and equip my dualwield combo (Dragonstrike and Fury) for demon phase. Then just fill up the red bar and be ready to go all out on Devastate+HS spam (WW too) if I get inner demon, this usually leaves pretty nice safe margin for me to get shield again and start collecting some rage back in defensive stance for phase switch.
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    For your inner demon that's what I do:

    -First demon: I use Recklessness, I doom him
    -Second demon: use battle shout and berserker rage just before the demon pops. Hit TAB and start to DPS him with devastate, and Shield Slam. If you have enough rage (you MUST be full rage when it pops) spam some Heroic Strikes. Don't forget to use your Gnomeregan Autoblocker since it helps a lot.

    As a MT for this fight, I wear my aggro gear (hit/expertise/SBV) and I use elixir of agility and an adamantite sharpening stone for the crit/damage. I was MC only once, in our first attempt, and then I always killed my demon so keep trying

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