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Thread: Morogrim Tidewalker, Considered a Dual Wielder?

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    Morogrim Tidewalker, Considered a Dual Wielder?

    I know he isnt holding a weapon/s at all but the way he hits leads me to believe he's attacking as a dual wielder. SCT has shown several hits landing with a (2hits) indicator. If so does that mean he has the higher chance to miss like the prince?
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    04:27'32.078 Daimyo's Greater Blessing of Sanctuary hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 42 Holy damage
    078 Daimyo gains 1 Rage from Shield Specialization
    078 Daimyo's Reflect hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 12 Holy damage
    125 Daimyo's Reflect hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 21 Fire damage
    125 Daimyo's Revenge hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 343
    484 Narsus's Lifebloom dot heals Daimyo for 605
    515 Daimyo gains Shield Block
    562 Morogrim Tidewalker's Melee misses Daimyo
    04:27'33.125 Morogrim Tidewalker's Melee hits Daimyo for 5016 (444 blocked) 1 charge
    296 Daimyo's Devastate hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 250
    500 Narsus's Lifebloom dot heals Daimyo for 604
    500 Narsus's Rejuvenation dot heals Daimyo for 795
    718 Daimyo's Greater Blessing of Sanctuary hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 41 Holy damage
    718 Daimyo gains 1 Rage from Shield Specialization
    718 Daimyo's Retribution Aura resisted by Morogrim Tidewalker
    718 Daimyo's Reflect hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 22 Fire damage
    718 Daimyo's Heroic Strike hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 331
    04:27'34.375 Daimyo's Lifebloom heals Daimyo for 1389
    750 Morogrim Tidewalker's Melee hits Daimyo for 4505 (444 blocked) charge 2
    04:27'35.328 Daimyo's Greater Blessing of Sanctuary hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 42 Holy damage
    328 Daimyo gains 1 Rage from Shield Specialization
    328 Daimyo's Reflect hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 23 Holy damage
    328 Daimyo's Reflect hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 21 Fire damage
    375 Daimyo's Heroic Strike hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 362
    843 Daimyo performs Shield Slam
    04:27'36.171 Ardent's Flash of Light heals Daimyo for 1687
    171 Daimyo's Shield Slam hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 612
    312 Morogrim Tidewalker's Melee hits Daimyo for 9364 (crushing)
    562 Narsus's Rejuvenation dot heals Daimyo for 795
    578 Christopherx's Flash of Light heals Daimyo for 1797
    937 Daimyo's Reflect hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 23 Holy damage
    937 Daimyo's Reflect hits Morogrim Tidewalker for 19 Fire damage
    937 Mahone's Flash Heal crit heals Daimyo for 3069
    937 Morogrim Tidewalker's Tidal Wave hits Daimyo for 3976 Frost damage
    937 Daimyo's Melee parried by Morogrim Tidewalker
    04:27'37.312 Daimyo is afflicted by Tidal Wave
    359 Murv's Flash of Light heals Daimyo for 1749
    359 Morogrim Tidewalker's Melee parried by Daimyo
    781 Daimyo gains Renew
    781 Daimyo gains Shield Block
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    4 melee attacks and a cast in ~5 seconds. Crushings get through on this fight pretty regularly, especially after an earthquake eats the charges. If he's a DWer I have a set for passive crush immunity, if not is it like early prince fights where you just hope for the best?

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    Anytime he turns to send people to Water tombs melee can get parried then Morogrim gaining extra attacks.

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    Well I tested this with my outfit last night and the only time I took a crushing was when scorpid fell off. Habit has me using SB regularly but there was a few stretches where I didn't and no crushing blows.

    I think he is using DW mechanics.

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    You'd have to not use SB regularly to determine whether it's right. It is only a 15% chance, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norrath View Post
    You'd have to not use SB regularly to determine whether it's right. It is only a 15% chance, after all.
    I went for an entire 2 min cooldown on a trinket w/o touching it. Crushings on this fight are very regular SBing or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daimyo View Post
    I went for an entire 2 min cooldown on a trinket w/o touching it. Crushings on this fight are very regular SBing or not.
    It's theoretically possible even if he's not DWing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think we need more solid evidence.
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    Looking at a few WWS's, it looks like his miss chance is around 8-10% or so. I think if he was DW'ing we'd see his miss up around 20-25%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norrath View Post
    It's theoretically possible even if he's not DWing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think we need more solid evidence.
    I would agree to that. I'd like to know 100% for sure but am pretty much sold on working in avoidance. I lose 1200 hp but not seeing crushings really makes up for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daimyo View Post
    I would agree to that. I'd like to know 100% for sure but am pretty much sold on working in avoidance. I lose 1200 hp but not seeing crushings really makes up for this.

    1200 hp is alot..

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    According to how he attacks (he punchs with both hands) he looks like to be a dual wielder.

    However he doesn't look like having a big miss rate, and that's quite bad for who's tanking. Also he's attacks have some fixed damage (3-5k depending on gear-buffs), if he was dual wielding, he would have some fairly low hits in addition to them.
    So he doesn't look like a dual wielder to me.
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