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    Gorefiend Threat Parse

    WWS Log:
    Ciderhelm - WWS

    Calculated here:
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    Notes:
    This is an example of a "perfect storm" encounter with incredibly high damage incoming and outgoing. This should be close to a perfect rotation. I am using roughly 77 Hit Rating and 21 Expertise Skill. In addition, I have emphasized Shield Block Value gear for Threat. In addition, I had a 2659 Shield Slam crit, which is fun.

    What lowered my TPS:
    -Class composition. Benefiting my threat were a Shaman and a second Warrior. This could be increased by moving an additional party-buff class in. However, I still need to be able to survive, so +Healing benefits are preferable;
    -Used a third Devastate before a Shield Slam twice, my error;
    -Rage became spotty 2/3 of the way into the encounter, barring me once from using Shield Slam on rotation and also drastically dropping the number of Heroic Strikes I could use.
    -Latency. Due to the new GCD system I am not sure if abilities were going out as fast as they could.

    To improve this, I will respec for one more point in Improved Heroic Strike instead of or including Anger Management. I will also look at possible Expertise and Hit upgrades on upcoming gear.



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    This is with no extra SBV gear on, normal mitigation, 7% hit and 11 expertise.

    Same gear I am wearing in my current profile minus the brutalizer (which I got last night but didn't enchant before Teron). At first I was using The Unbreakable Will and on the third attempt I switched to Mallet.

    The World of Warcraft Armory

    Battle time in seconds: 310

    Heroic Strike:
    Amount: 54480 Hits: 103 Crits: 18 Dmg Threat: 81447.6 Skill Threat: 39796.9
    Shield slam:
    Amount: 40458 Hits: 30 Crits: 11 Dmg Threat: 60484.71 Skill Threat: 18817.565
    Melee:
    Amount: 25741 Hits: 65 Crits: 19 Dmg Threat: 38482.795 Skill Threat: 0
    Revenge:
    Amount: 16774 Hits: 29 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 25077.13 Skill Threat: 11418.81
    Devastate:
    Amount: 21951 Hits: 53 Crits: 12 Dmg Threat: 32816.745 Skill Threat: 9814.675
    Shield Bash:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Cleave:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunder Clap:
    Amount: 333 Hits: 2 Crits: Dmg Threat: 497.835 Skill Threat: 871.21125
    Reflect:
    Amount: 933 Hits: 41 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1394.835 Skill Threat: 0
    Vengeance:
    Amount: 865 Hits: 9 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1293.175 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunderfury:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Deep Wound:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Lifebloom:
    Amount: 26142 Overheal: 56% Threat: 11502.48
    Earthshield:
    Amount: 8538 Overheal: 10% Threat: 7684.2
    Prayer of Mending:
    Amount: 33684 Overheal: 5% Threat: 31999.8

    Total amount of dmg threat: 241494.825
    Total amount of skill threat: 80719.16125
    Total amount of healing threat: 31344.48

    TPS: 1140.5111814516

    Ghost death in the group @ 10% X_X

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    Battle time in seconds: 208

    Heroic Strike:
    Amount: 37800 Hits: 75 Crits: 11 Dmg Threat: 56511 Skill Threat: 28285.4
    Shield slam:
    Amount: 23390 Hits: 25 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 34968.05 Skill Threat: 12851.02
    Melee:
    Amount: 12834 Hits: 43 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 19186.83 Skill Threat: 0
    Revenge:
    Amount: 11930 Hits: 21 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 17835.35 Skill Threat: 8113.365
    Devastate:
    Amount: 16406 Hits: 47 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 24526.97 Skill Threat: 8002.735
    Shield Bash:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Cleave:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunder Clap:
    Amount: 172 Hits: 1 Crits: Dmg Threat: 257.14 Skill Threat: 449.995
    Reflect:
    Amount: 763 Hits: 33 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1140.685 Skill Threat: 0
    Vengeance:
    Amount: 624 Hits: 7 Crits: Dmg Threat: 932.88 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunderfury:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Deep Wound:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Lifebloom:
    Amount: 15137 Overheal: 60% Threat: 6054.8
    Earthshield:
    Amount: 9308 Overheal: 9% Threat: 8470.28
    Prayer of Mending:
    Amount: 24678 Overheal: 0% Threat: 24678

    Total amount of dmg threat: 155358.905
    Total amount of skill threat: 57702.515
    Total amount of healing threat: 22628.94

    TPS: 1133.1267307692

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    Then I switched to Mallet due to parry gib (ended up being from rogues after looking at the parse)

    Battle time in seconds: 88

    Heroic Strike:
    Amount: 18867 Hits: 28 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 28206.165 Skill Threat: 12498.2
    Shield slam:
    Amount: 9561 Hits: 11 Crits: 1 Dmg Threat: 14293.695 Skill Threat: 5507.58
    Melee:
    Amount: 7219 Hits: 24 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 10792.405 Skill Threat: 0
    Revenge:
    Amount: 5495 Hits: 8 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 8215.025 Skill Threat: 3605.94
    Devastate:
    Amount: 6484 Hits: 20 Crits: 2 Dmg Threat: 9693.58 Skill Threat: 3321.89
    Shield Bash:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Cleave:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunder Clap:
    Amount: 173 Hits: 1 Crits: Dmg Threat: 258.635 Skill Threat: 452.61125
    Reflect:
    Amount: 394 Hits: 15 Crits: Dmg Threat: 589.03 Skill Threat: 0
    Vengeance:
    Amount: 449 Hits: 5 Crits: Dmg Threat: 671.255 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunderfury:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Deep Wound:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Lifebloom:
    Amount: 3515 Overheal: 100% Threat: 0
    Earthshield:
    Amount: 8537 Overheal: 10% Threat: 7683.3
    Prayer of Mending:
    Amount: 10620 Overheal: 0% Threat: 10620

    Total amount of dmg threat: 72719.79
    Total amount of skill threat: 25386.22125
    Total amount of healing threat: 9151.65

    TPS: 1218.8370596591

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    And... got parry gibbed again thx to Melee peoples. There is an issue with the current GCD check where if they are standing inside the hitbox they can get parried from behind.

    I am interested to see my threat gain with the expertise bracers, and the Teron gloves. We chose to aim for gurtogg before hand since we've only had 2 gurtogg kills prior to last night. After we downed him we went to Teron, it was late and we didn't kill him on our 4 (put 3 b4) attempts so we called it a night.

    When we go back tonight I will wear more SBV gear and have more expertise(21 with Brutalizer (yay orcs)), I will report back with data.
    Last edited by robeh; 11-28-2007 at 02:52 PM.

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    Nice robeh, do you have links to the WWS parses as well?

    Also for my own reference,
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    I PM'd it to you. Off to lunch, be back soon.

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    I'm going to pick up Imp LOTP if I can get away for it next go, Robeh. Very nice parse.

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    I <3 Imp LOTP but I am pretty greedy when it comes to my group setup per encounter (almost always me, feral, warrior, lock/pali, shaman). In those parses I had a resto shammy dropping me WF. Tonight I am going to wear my threat gear +brutalizer and see how much of a difference it makes.

    Teron is great for threat benchmarking =]

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    We're doing Teron tonight, I'll grab the parse if anyone remembers to do it.

    I don't particularly like this fight to be honest, I find that incoming damage is a bit streaky at times and can screw with my rotations. Mother seems to be a more reliable source of rage for me, but the shadow gear lowers threat by a bit.

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    That's my frustration as well Marsellus. It's partly my own fault for socketing so many Avoidance/Defense gems, but since I've been MT'ing more I'll be picking up Stam in the future.

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    Even with all stam gems, his slow, hard hitting style leads to inevitable patches of rage starvation followed by a huge rage surplus.

    Oh well, no matter. I'm a prot DPS warrior now!

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    When Teron goes smooth you will find rage starved sometimes in the fight. I don't know if ur raid does it, but after each guy finishes his/her ghosts and hit Teron, Teron attacks will be slowed and 1-2 avoided hits in a row = OOR.

    In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire.
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    When the person finishes their ghost's they run over to help out the next person. IMP LOTP (he was also using drums) and Resto WF

    Here is my parse from last night: Loading...

    I wore my Autoblocker, Brutalizer, T5 gloves for this one.

    Battle time in seconds: 292

    Heroic Strike:
    Amount: 52774 Hits: 107 Crits: 17 Dmg Threat: 78897.13 Skill Threat: 40783.6
    Shield slam:
    Amount: 42972 Hits: 30 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 64243.14 Skill Threat: 16981.705
    Melee:
    Amount: 23266 Hits: 72 Crits: 13 Dmg Threat: 34782.67 Skill Threat: 0
    Revenge:
    Amount: 18287 Hits: 33 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 27339.065 Skill Threat: 12620.79
    Devastate:
    Amount: 22734 Hits: 53 Crits: 14 Dmg Threat: 33987.33 Skill Threat: 10116.665
    Shield Bash:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Cleave:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunder Clap:
    Amount: 691 Hits: 4 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1033.045 Skill Threat: 1807.82875
    Reflect:
    Amount: 1365 Hits: 60 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2040.675 Skill Threat: 0
    Vengeance:
    Amount: 1227 Hits: 13 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1834.365 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunderfury:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Deep Wound:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Lifebloom:
    Amount: 27005 Overheal: 57% Threat: 11612.15
    Earthshield:
    Amount: 16452 Overheal: 23% Threat: 12668.04
    Prayer of Mending:
    Amount: 41350 Overheal: 11% Threat: 36801.5

    Total amount of dmg threat: 244157.42
    Total amount of skill threat: 82310.58875
    Total amount of healing threat: 36346.92

    TPS: 1242.5168792808

    I ended up being rage starved on this parse a lot. On Omen I was reporting 1400-1800 tps and topped out @ 2200 tps. I will be picking up Expertise bracers this weekend, I will post next weeks parses with the addition of more expertise. Expertise is hotttttttttttttttt, this is going from 2.25% reduced chance to 5.25% reduced chance to be dodged/parried. WTB MORE!

    I don't like using Mother as a benchmark, I don't have to try to stay above anyone due to the SR requirements, and for me atleast my rage spikes more than Teron (and a lot more starving moments). I can literally just chill on that fight and give my fingers a break =P.

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    Can you guys mind posting what rotation you are using? Awesome thread btw.
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    For bosses I open up with:

    Shield Block then follow with a Devastate, Heroic, Shield Slam, Revenge, Devastate, Devastate (then repeat, shield slam, revenge, devastate x2 etc) with heroics anywhere I have the rage to stick them (which is pretty much every special on most fights).

    If I am debuffing for myself I do 1 debuff per rotation so:

    Shield Slam, Revenge, Thunderclap, Devastate (+heroics)
    Shield Slam, Revenge, Demo, Devastate (+heroics)

    Then back to

    Shield Slam, Revenge, Devastate x2 (+heroics)

    Start to re apply debuff's with 5 seconds left on them. ALWAYS drop HS, I usually queue it a split second after my specials.

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    Well, I put my parse from last night in and was stunned and saddened at the results. Even though my rotation seemed good, I was only at ~859 TPS. Seems real low compared to numbers I've seen. I then did a bit of detective work and found out that just about every other tank in the world gets Windfury, Battle Shout and Heroism/Bloodlust, most also get LotP, TSA, Drums of Battle or some other form of threat buff. I get none of these on most boss fights. We stack our raid around the DPS and Healing. Tanks are an afterthought, unfortunately, but it seems to work for us. I am also not the usual target of Earth Shield, Lifebloom, or Prayer of Mending on that fight, seems as if they'd rather use those for raid healing. After doing the math, if I had the healing threat that Cider had, my TPS would go up to 948. Almost 90 TPS just from healers.

    I'd like to hope that with equal buffs, my threat would be more on par with the numbers in this thread. The main problem is that threat doesn't really seem to be an issue for anyone on this fight, even with my low numbers, so I doubt I'll get a chance to try.

    Marsellus - WWS

    Result:
    Battle time in seconds: 276

    Heroic Strike:
    Amount: 41322 Hits: 99 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 61776.39 Skill Threat: 35850.1
    Shield slam:
    Amount: 26070 Hits: 29 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 38974.65 Skill Threat: 14686.88
    Melee:
    Amount: 9077 Hits: 37 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 13570.115 Skill Threat: 0
    Revenge:
    Amount: 12540 Hits: 27 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 18747.3 Skill Threat: 9315.345
    Devastate:
    Amount: 17821 Hits: 53 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 26642.395 Skill Threat: 9059.7
    Thunder Clap:
    Amount: 359 Hits: 2 Crits: Dmg Threat: 536.705 Skill Threat: 939.23375
    Reflect:
    Amount: 1113 Hits: 49 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1663.935 Skill Threat: 0
    Lifebloom:
    Amount: Overheal: % Threat: 0
    Earthshield:
    Amount: Overheal: % Threat: 0
    Prayer of Mending:
    Amount: 11445 Overheal: 4% Threat: 10987.2

    Total amount of dmg threat: 161911.49
    Total amount of skill threat: 69851.25875
    Total amount of healing threat: 5493.6

    TPS: 859.62445199275

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    Here is my mother parse wearing max armory/hp gear, the only extra's I had were Imp LOTP. I had a lot less SBV:

    Robeh - WWS

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    Battle time in seconds: 376

    Heroic Strike:
    Amount: 51796 Hits: 111 Crits: 17 Dmg Threat: 77435.02 Skill Threat: 42099.2
    Shield slam:
    Amount: 40090 Hits: 37 Crits: 8 Dmg Threat: 59934.55 Skill Threat: 20653.425
    Melee:
    Amount: 20661 Hits: 70 Crits: 16 Dmg Threat: 30888.195 Skill Threat: 0
    Revenge:
    Amount: 18101 Hits: 32 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 27060.995 Skill Threat: 12320.295
    Devastate:
    Amount: 17953 Hits: 51 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 26839.735 Skill Threat: 9210.695
    Shield Bash:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Cleave:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunder Clap:
    Amount: 1027 Hits: 6 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1535.365 Skill Threat: 2686.88875
    Reflect:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Vengeance:
    Amount: 3372 Hits: 37 Crits: Dmg Threat: 5041.14 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunderfury:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Deep Wound:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Lifebloom:
    Amount: 37778 Overheal: 65&#37; Threat: 13222.3
    Earthshield:
    Amount: 10871 Overheal: 6% Threat: 10218.74
    Prayer of Mending:
    Amount: 64126 Overheal: 5% Threat: 60919.7

    Total amount of dmg threat: 228735
    Total amount of skill threat: 86970.50375
    Total amount of healing threat: 48791.52

    TPS: 969.40697805851

    This fight is very relaxed as far as needed TPS, everyone is in SR so they have very low threat, really no need to go crazy here.

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    A lifebloom is an insane health stabilizer, especially if you have multiple lifeblooms being refreshed and not blooming unless needed. For PoM you should be the primary target since you are constantly taking damage it will jump off of you immediately and possibly back on to you. For Earth Shield there really isn't a better target for it to be applied to, it's beneficial in two ways (threat and acts like an on demand hot).

    I would strongly encourage you to speak with your healers about directing these abilities onto you. You provide the cap for your DPS, the higher you go the higher they can go comfortably.

    If you look at our Teron kill the warlock who pumped 1600 dps was putting out around 1100+ tps. Healing threat is a great addition to what you can already do, it will never hurt to raise the threat cap a little higher.
    Last edited by robeh; 11-29-2007 at 03:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robeh View Post

    A lifebloom is an insane health stabilizer, especially if you have multiple lifeblooms being refreshed and not blooming unless needed. For PoM you should be the primary target since you are constantly taking damage it will jump off of you immediately and possibly back on to you. For Earth Shield there really isn't a better target for it to be applied to, it's beneficial in two ways (threat and acts like an on demand hot).

    I would strongly encourage you to speak with your healers about directing these abilities onto you. You provide the cap for your DPS, the higher you go the higher they can go comfortably.

    If you look at our Teron kill the warlock who pumped 1600 dps was putting out around 1100+ tps. Healing threat is a great addition to what you can already do, it will never hurt to raise the threat cap a little higher.
    I agree, and I posted about it on our guild website as well. So far only a priest has responded and she said that on fights like teron where the whole raid is taking damage, she'd rather give them the cheap PoM and let direct heals cover me. I'm not one to argue since healing is not my forte, but she did say she'd try to toss me a few more than she used to.

    As far as group stacking goes, I doubt I'll see much love because the majority of our DPS just isn't pushing the ceiling.

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    I stacked my group a bit differently. I did better with abilities but about the same with rage. I did not wear three pieces of more-beneficial gear (the significant missing piece was [item]Bulwark of the Ancient Kings[/item]).

    This is a bit higher than the original parse:

    Ciderhelm - WWS

    Battle time in seconds: 268

    Heroic Strike:
    Amount: 70777 Hits: 105 Crits: 18 Dmg Threat: 105811.615 Skill Threat: 40454.7
    Shield slam:
    Amount: 33220 Hits: 25 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 49663.9 Skill Threat: 12851.02
    Melee:
    Amount: 23600 Hits: 43 Crits: 14 Dmg Threat: 35282 Skill Threat: 0
    Revenge:
    Amount: 15704 Hits: 30 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 23477.48 Skill Threat: 10216.83
    Devastate:
    Amount: 26321 Hits: 47 Crits: 12 Dmg Threat: 39349.895 Skill Threat: 8908.705
    Shield Bash:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Cleave:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunder Clap:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Reflect:
    Amount: 1573 Hits: 68 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2351.635 Skill Threat: 0
    Vengeance:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunderfury:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Deep Wound:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Lifebloom:
    Amount: 8951 Overheal: 19&#37; Threat: 7250.31
    Earthshield:
    Amount: 30261 Overheal: 6% Threat: 28445.34
    Prayer of Mending:
    Amount: 19352 Overheal: 39% Threat: 11804.72

    Total amount of dmg threat: 255936.525
    Total amount of skill threat: 72431.255
    Total amount of healing threat: 27375.34

    TPS: 1327.3997014925

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    Very nice parse. I think with a full expertise set (Gloves) and max +hit (boots) I could go even higher.

    Robeh - WWS

    Battle time in seconds: 258

    Heroic Strike:
    Amount: 56152 Hits: 91 Crits: 25 Dmg Threat: 83947.24 Skill Threat: 38152.4
    Shield slam:
    Amount: 37978 Hits: 24 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 56777.11 Skill Threat: 14227.915
    Melee:
    Amount: 28229 Hits: 62 Crits: 24 Dmg Threat: 42202.355 Skill Threat: 0
    Revenge:
    Amount: 16221 Hits: 28 Crits: 8 Dmg Threat: 24250.395 Skill Threat: 10817.82
    Devastate:
    Amount: 22619 Hits: 56 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 33815.405 Skill Threat: 9965.67
    Shield Bash:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Cleave:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunder Clap:
    Amount: 723 Hits: 4 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1080.885 Skill Threat: 1891.54875
    Reflect:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Vengeance:
    Amount: 2451 Hits: 27 Crits: Dmg Threat: 3664.245 Skill Threat: 0
    Thunderfury:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Deep Wound:
    Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
    Lifebloom:
    Amount: 11394 Overheal: 81% Threat: 2164.86
    Earthshield:
    Amount: 23790 Overheal: 9% Threat: 21648.9
    Prayer of Mending:
    Amount: 18855 Overheal: 27% Threat: 13764.15

    Total amount of dmg threat: 245737.635
    Total amount of skill threat: 75055.35375
    Total amount of healing threat: 19871.385

    TPS: 1320.4045494186

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    I would like parse my tps in a similar fashion. Only i cannot find how to do this. Is there a reference guide or somthing that could help me?

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