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    Warrior PvE DPS

    It is a well known fact that warriors can, to the dismay of some, do some incredible dps. However many may wonder what is the best spec for warriors do dish out damage in PvE with. I have wondered this too. But, I was unable to test anything because as you see (armory me) I am not in the best of gear. Hell, my gear plain sucks. So when blizzard brought the premades back I jumped on the opportunity. Blizzard gave the premades some pretty nice dps gear and some pvp gear. I will be showing you the results of the best case test on each one

    Every test was tested against a Servant of Razelikh. Each PvE dps test is based over a period of 6 minutes and 35 seconds
    only buff was battleshout. every stat given in battlestance unbuffed

    Information gathered using SW stats
    I used the same specs for both the DW and 2h variations of each test. So each two hand test has more dps potential than stated due to lack of improved slam

    Abilities used during these tests

    Bloodthirst
    Whirlwind
    Heroic strike
    Deathwish
    Trinkets
    Slam
    Sword specialization


    There will be more updates as I continue to test

    Contents:
    1.0 Item List
    2.0 Tests
    2.1 Full Fury
    2.1.1 Dual wield
    2.1.2 Two hand
    2.2 Fury Swords
    2.2.1 Dual wield
    2.2.2 Two hand
    2.3 Fury Axes
    2.3.1 Dual wield
    2.3.2 Two hand
    2.4 MS combos
    2.4.1 MS/flurry
    2.5 Few points in Prot
    2.5.1 Fury/Prot
    3.0 PvP viability: coming soon
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    1.0
    Here is the list of items I used in the tests:

    Onslaught battlegear: Onslaught Battlegear - Item Sets - World of Warcraft

    Worgen claw necklace
    Dra.pe of Dark Reavers
    Bladespire Warbands
    Lion’s Heart Girdle
    Dreadboots of the Legion
    Ring of a Thousand Marks
    Violet Signet of the Master Assassin
    Bloodlust Brooch
    Tsunami talisman

    Bloodlust Brooch and Worgen claw necklace were only used in the dual wielding tests

    Adamantite chain of the Unbroken
    Mooncleaver
    Lionheart Champion
    Gladiator’s right ripper
    Gladiator’s left ripper
    Gladiator’s slicer
    Gladiator’s Quickblade
    Gladiator’s Hacker
    Gladiator’s Cleaver
    Gladiator’s crossbow
    Abacus of Violent Odds

    Adamantite chain mooncleaver LH champ were only used in specific tests abacus was used in all two hand tests for rage gen used the glads fist weps for full fury test used glads swords for fury/swords and used glads axes for fury/axes

    2.0 Tests
    All attack stats should be read X times he used it of those time he crit Y times
    deep wounds is a dot

    (ver) 1.2

    2.1 Full Fury

    Full Fury Test Spec

    2.1.1 Dual Wield


    Code:
    Stats:            Melee stats:
    Str    514      Crit    25.71%
    Agi    350      Hit    154-- 9.77%
    Stam   649      atk pwr    1568
    Armor  10894
    Tsunami talisman procs:
    Enrage procs: 2
    deahtwish uses: 2
    bloodlust brooch uses: 2

    DPS: 837

    Code:
    Average damage                         Max damage                  Breakup        
    Auto Attack: 413                       1536                        50.7%
    335 attacks 11 misses 111 crits    
    
    Bloodthirst: 1311                      3032                        22.5%
    58 uses 18 crits
    
    Heroic Strike: 956                     2050                        17%
    60 uses 15 crits
    
    Whirlwind: 705                           1587                        7.6%
    35 uses 11 crits
    
    Deep Wounds: 115                       162                         2%
    Basis for all fury pve dps this is my control which I will be comparing the other specs up against

    2.1.2 Two Hand

    Code:
    Stats:                Melee Stats:
    Str 514               Crit    27.46%
    Agi 330               Hit    127 hit rating 8.05%
    Stam 605              Atk Pwr   1602
    
    Armor 10854
    I switched out Worgen Claw necklace with Adamantite Chain of the unbroken
    I replaced dual gladiator fist weps with Mooncleaver and replaced bloodlust brooch with abacus of violet odds.

    Fury Two hand

    TT procs: 3
    En procs: 3
    DW uses: 3
    abacus uses: 4

    DPS: 825

    Code:
    AVG                                MAX                   Breakup
    AA(autoattack) 1249                2250                  47.2%
    118 attacks  38 crits
    
    BT(bloodthirst) 1470               2508                  26.3%
    53 uses 18 crits
    
    WW(whirlwind) 1394                 2347                  14%
    33 uses 14 crits
    
    HS(heroicstrike) 1620              2855                  8.4%
    14 uses 5 crits
    
    DpW(deepwounds) 196                278                   4.8%
    surprisingly i managed to pull of about the same dps. the problem is is that it seems to vary a whole lot as i mentioned before my other tests turned up widely different results. so it CAN work... but why WOULD you? if you really want to pvp but don't want to respec from full fury just slap on a two hander. and don't use rampage. it should work pretty nicely (though not nearly as well as MS)

    (Ver) 1.2

    2.2 Fury Swords

    Fury Words test spec


    2.2.1 Dual Wield

    I used the same gear for this test as the full fury dps test except I’m using gladiators slicer and quickblade same stats

    TT procs: 5
    EN procs: 1
    BB uses: 3
    DW uses: 2

    DPS: 846

    Code:
    AVG                               MAX                  Breakup
    AA: 352                           1275                 41.1%
    399 attacks 17 misses 24 crits
    
    HS: 927                           1818                 23%
    71 uses 24 crits
    
    BT: 1182                          2501                 21.3%
    56 uses 1 miss 22 crits
    
    WW: 649                           1349                 6.7%
    35 uses 5 crits
    
    SS(swordspec): 64                 1248                 6.5%
    26 attacks 9 crits
    
    DpW: 100                          167                  1.4%
    This spec really surprised me. At first I didn’t think that it was going to out do full fury for the lack of improved berserker stance. But as I started testing I was looking into my combat log. On one of my tests I had just as many sword spec procs as I had whirlwinds having the fast offhander and sword spec proccing off of everything but itself really made this a valuable asset to the dps. it does about the same as my full fury test. but it also has more pvp viability (throw on a two hander now you have sword spec with everything else :P)

    sword spec doesn't use the weapon that procced it for the attack it uses the main hand weapon even if the offhand made the attack. i'm going to do some testing to see if it will proc without a mainhand sword. it will proc less though

    2.2.2 Two Hand

    Two hand Fury Swords

    same gear as two handed full fury test except using lionheart champion

    Code:
    str:	524
    agi:	374
    stam:	605
    armor:	10342
    
    AP:	1594
    Hit:	119 (7.55%)
    Crit:	26.44%
    LH: 9
    TT: 6
    AB: 4
    EN: 2
    DW: 3

    793 dps


    Code:
    Average Damage			Max				Breakup
    
    AA: 1127			2086				44.9	
    124 hits 43 crits
    
    BT: 1178			2482				20.8
    55 uses 17 crits
    
    WW: 1188			2168				15.7
    41 uses 17 crits
    
    Slam: 1213			2497				10.1
    26 uses 5 crits
    
    DpW: 171			252				4.3
    
    
    SS: 1305			1930				4.2
    10 procs 5 crits
    this spec varies widely during dps going from massive dps to average dps constantly it has some pretty good pvp viability (still not as good as arms) but it IS possible. Still a pretty good spec :P

    next up fury axes. maybe i'll get some crazy results

    with all the two handers it seems the variable is how much rage you generate. i noticed on the high dps tests i constantly had rage. on teh low dps tests i had very little rage. i was hoping dragging it out to 6 and a half minutes would eliminate that but it appears to have an extremely large effect

    2.3 Fury Axes
    Fury Axes test spec

    Same gear as full fury spec. except Gladiators cleaver and Gladiator’s Hacker
    Same stats as full fury and fury swords DW except 30.71% chance to crit

    TT: 5
    EN: 3
    DW: 2
    BB: 3

    Code:
    DPS: 799
    AVG                    MAX        Breakdown
    AA: 361                    1181        46.9%
    413 attacks 162 crits 18 misses
    
    BT: 1227                2259        22.4%
    58 uses 28 crits
    
    HS:  938                1753        20.6%
    70 uses 26 crits
    
    WW: 764                    1424        8.6%
    36 uses 16 crits
    
    DpW: 106                140        1.4%
    Didn’t get quite as good results. The extra 5% did seem to make a difference. But I got to the point where I was feeling that it wasn’t critting as much as it should be.maybe its just cause I had finished testing fury swords when I did this so I was used to seeing sword spec proc every 10-15 seconds and having a lot of those procs crit that just seeing more crits didn’t seem that appealing

    2.3.2 Two Hand

    same gear as full fury 2 hand test
    same stats except 32.48% chance to crit

    TT: 4
    EN: 4
    AB: 4
    DW: 2

    DPS: 707


    Code:
    AVG             MAX             Breakdown
    AA: 1122        2138             46.4%
    116 attacks 47 crits
    BT: 1063         2009             22.7%
    60 uses 19 crits
    WW:1090         1945             14%
    36 uses 14 crits
    HS: 1478         2497             12.2%
    27 uses 11 crits
    DpW: 163         246             4.7%
    same issue with dps depending on rage generated :| probably has some pretty good pvp viability but with resilience i would probably rahter have sword spec myself just my opinion

    2.4.1

    MS/Flurry

    MS/Flurry spec

    same gear same stats as two hand fury swords

    LH: 12
    TT: 3
    EN: 5
    DW: 2
    AB: 3

    DPS: 814


    Code:
    AVG                     MAX                Breakdown
    AA: 1150                2081                41.2%
    117 attacks 42 crits
    
    MS: 1339                2793                22.2%
    54 uses 12 crits
    
    Slam: 1448                2479                15.5%
    35 uses 14 crits
    
    WW: 1051                2153                10.6%
    33 uses 8 crits
    
    DpW: 180                222                5%
    
    SS: 1037                1851                3.8%
    12 procs 3 crits
    
    HS: 1869                2341                1.7%
    3 uses 2 crits
    one of those high rage tests. Also, this talent build has imp slam in it which I used heavily the other two handed tests didn’t you would probably see a more balanced increase in dps if you picked up imp slam in the other builds. Its still up to you in my opinion though I would just stick with fury in raids. It scales better.

    2.5 Few Points in Prot

    2.5.1 Fury/prot

    0/31/30 DW

    Code:
    Stats		Melee
    Str	525	AP	1568
    Agi	350	Hit	154 (9.77%)
    Stam	649	Crit	25.71%
    AC	11913
    BB 3
    DW 2
    TT 5
    EN 5

    DPS 714

    Code:
    AVG				MAX		BD
    
    AA: 385				1542		54.9%
    402 hits 122 crits 35 misses
    BT: 1096			2129		23.3%
    60 attacks 17 crits
    HS: 927				1730		14.1%
    43 attacks 13 crits
    WW: 630				1415		7.7%
    34 attacks 6 crits
    rather odd results. on one hand we have the 10% onehand wep spec making a large difference then we have it making a small difference. no idea how this spec would hold up iff you planned on offtanking but it would definitely work better than the other dps specs i've posted (for tanking).
    Last edited by Teragon; 09-09-2007 at 11:38 AM. Reason: updated test

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    Teragon, the code for formatting here is , without spaces. If you don't get around to editing it in is [code], I can edit in the formatting when I get a bit of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhelm View Post
    Teragon, the code for formatting here is , without spaces. If you don't get around to editing it in is [code], I can edit in the formatting when I get a bit of time.
    yes please you kinda confused me and tahnks alot for letting me bring this here.

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    that tag got all messed up in my post. lol

    yeah, i'll redo those either soon tonight or early tomorrow

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    i already fixed it =)

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    alrite. I'll get this stickied and webpaged as well once there are some responses. Do you mind if I do a little formatting (bolds, letter sizing, spacing, etc)?

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    go ahead! i'm not really that great at the programming thing... well only cause i never learned :P

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    I need to touch up the formatting on this again, I actually just screwed a few of the CODE tables trying to fix them.

    Until that point, the page is here:
    TankSpot - Warcraft Warrior's Reference - PVE DPS Spec Analysis

    I wouldn't suggest making that public til we get all the formatting done right, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhelm View Post
    I need to touch up the formatting on this again, I actually just screwed a few of the CODE tables trying to fix them.

    Until that point, the page is here:
    TankSpot - Warcraft Warrior's Reference - PVE DPS Spec Analysis

    I wouldn't suggest making that public til we get all the formatting done right, though.
    i'm currently updating two handed fury swords/axes right now and will be updating consistently as blizzard makes changes obviously. but at least let me finish retesting the swords and axes :P

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    Hey Cider. i changed the name of this to Beserk: a Warrior DPS spec analysis
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    Sure. I'll update that ASAP Have to get a couple small things done first.

    I'm going to align the stuff in Code as well and put it onto the main site.

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    interesting stuff

    Not sure why you used imp intercept over imp execute for PvE damage, tho it probably doesn't matter as it would be 'unfair' - I've hit 1200 DPS on those mobs using imp execute..

    I did similar tests at one stage between 17/44 & 11/50
    WoW Forums -> Tested: 17/44 v 11/50 DW PvE DPS

    test was done with macros so I could ensure consistent damage using bloodthirst, 1 heroic strike repeated and hitting whirlwind whenever up. I also used a macro to ensure my Battle shout, abacus, rampage and zerker rage were always active at the same times for both talent build tests. data from recap and swstats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozman View Post
    interesting stuff

    Not sure why you used imp intercept over imp execute for PvE damage, tho it probably doesn't matter as it would be 'unfair' - I've hit 1200 DPS on those mobs using imp execute..

    I did similar tests at one stage between 17/44 & 11/50
    WoW Forums -> Tested: 17/44 v 11/50 DW PvE DPS

    test was done with macros so I could ensure consistent damage using bloodthirst, 1 heroic strike repeated and hitting whirlwind whenever up. I also used a macro to ensure my Battle shout, abacus, rampage and zerker rage were always active at the same times for both talent build tests. data from recap and swstats
    yes i didn't pick up improved execute for these tests as i did not use execute. and i have actually found a 20 second intercept to be very nice in many raid encounters.
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    Teragon, I remember Aedak saying that about Intercept way back in the day.

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    i am really sorry i haven't added more tests. the test realms have been down a lot lately and I've been feeling kinda burned out expecting many changes between now and WotLK. not sure how different things are going to be. this will be outdated with the addition of the 10 levels and new talents
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    ok added a "Few Points in Prot" section
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    Very interesting results. I may change my DW fury spec to include sword spec during a farm raid and see if I notice it helping my damage.

    The only thing that concerns me is that in the base DW fury test, you don't use Rampage at all. I understand you were trying to keep the specs fair and such, but not using the last talent really gimps the result. The 250 attack power from Rampage converts into just over 17 DPS. Considering the DW sword spec version beat the normal DW fury build by only nine DPS, this is pretty significant if you just compare these two.

    I know your intent wasn't to compare those two so I appreciate what you did.

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    Actually i DID use rampage... i just didn't mention it because i assumed it would be obvious that i would use it

    and i found that sometimes it was hurting my dps trying to keep it up.

    most of these specs are roughly the same in this gear... they are all subject to vary wildly for other gear. but this does show hat there are definitely more specs to suite more playstyles. i mean i actually sort of like fury swords in pvp. just bust out the two hander and go to town >
    Last edited by Teragon; 09-05-2007 at 10:40 PM. Reason: spelling
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    Tbh, i don't believe that tests like this one are good to define the dps potential of warrior. The results you got don't represent at all the dps that a warrior will have in a raid situation.

    Tests against Servant of Razelikh, i remember them to be done in order to find the miss chance or the contribution of weapon skill since you can achieve thousands of attacks against these mobs and therefore get a large pool of swings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teragon View Post
    Actually i DID use rampage... i just didn't mention it because i assumed it would be obvious that i would use it

    and i found that sometimes it was hurting my dps trying to keep it up.

    most of these specs are roughly the same in this gear... they are all subject to vary wildly for other gear. but this does show hat there are definitely more specs to suite more playstyles. i mean i actually sort of like fury swords in pvp. just bust out the two hander and go to town >
    Very interesting then. I'm going to respec before Nightbane tonight and grab sword spec. I definitely want to see it before the windfury change happens.

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