I might suggest as a craftable you add
Helm of the Stalwart Defender
I know the mats are more intensive but anyone questing through nether storm probally has the primal manas and if your a miner then the earth and adamantite are easy to get
I agree that it is a great item but it falls outside my "easy-to-get" classification
If I add it then there are a whole swag of other items that should be added.
Was wondering if this list is viable for pally tanks?
Yes indeed. This list is very viable for pally tanks. Obviously you need to strive to be able to push crushings off the attack table as well (which puts a bit more emphasis on avoidance stats and block rating early). Also, the choice of weapon for pally tanks tends to be those that include some more spell damage.
Now, on to the question. Since I haven't started my pre-req's for Ogri'la rep yet, I've been using the Netherwing Protector's Shield. But last night, Platinum Shield of the Valorous dropped for me. I was wondering if it's a justifiable upgrade or not. I can see that it's an increase in straight up armor, block, stamina, and defense rating, but I'm not sure of the impact of losing dodge % (from agility) and block value from the equip bonus. What should I be drawing a comparison on? Common sense tells me I'm getting more health from the stamina increase than I'm losing from the block value, but is that a fair comparison? Also, should I still go with Major Stamina as an enchant, or would Tough Shield be better?
My opinion - they are very close. The Valorous will give you an increase in effective health but the Netherwing will give you a bit more threat generation. Most people would probably go the Valorous, especially if their threat gen seems fine.
First off I just want to say I love the guide ... It is informative and very helpful to tanks just starting out (like me) ... One thing I would like to mention though are the stats you get with this gear ... with the above list I do not think you would be able to tank any heroics above Hellfire or Coilfang ... Here is what I mean:
as long as you get 30% total parry/dodge combined you're probably good enough to tank most heroics and kara, i try to balance around 40% total parry/dodge/miss and the rest goes into my eh and threat, block is inconsequential for tanking stuff unless pushing for uncrushability passively. Don't worry those numbers are awesome infact.
Excellent list. I feel that you might want to add the Season 1 Arena Shield on the list. Although it lacks any kind of defense or shield block rating, it does provide a huge amount of stam, block, and armor. At 15k honor points and 20 Eye of the Storm marks this shield is easily attainable.
I think this guide is correct for the most part in a realistic aspect, and I appreciate the time and effort that went into it, I don't want to sound ungrateful but I think it needs to be amended.
Why? for the simple fact not even with the best gear of each catergory will you be "allowed" to do an heroic, simple fact is the vast majority of groups will except no less then partial tier 4 geared tank at the least, I have been kicked numerous times from groups not because I caused a wipe or could not hold aggro but because the healer actually had to pay attention and heal proactively, I have been kicked many times soon after my armory profile was looked up.
I fully realize the progression, I've tanked all of the dungeons on normal levels numerous times, every healer I've group with I asked afterwards how demanding it was for them to heal me......they say I was easy to keep healed compared to most tanks they have grouped with.
I use macros which insure shield block is always up when the gcd is up, that is not an issue.
I really, honestly don't have the time it requires to join a true raid guild right now, it would be unfair if I did because there are certain requirements as far as time/resources devoted towards a raid guild that are fairly expected, I 'am not going to be one of these people who uses others to obtain gear at my conveince.
Therefore I have to resort to pugs, unfortunately there is a rash of people with their welfare pvp epics now doing heroics, most of them don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, pvp gear imo is alright when used to fill gaps, but it is the worst setup imo because of the nature of the damage it produce which is for the most part burst damage which spikes unpredicably, still in all I still can do my job despite this, but can they do their ...no and I pay the price in the end.....I did my grind to set myself up to be the best tank possible within reason and they have done what to prepare themselves, shooting of 1k heals doesn't cut it, gearing dps as a healer because the gear happens to be epic doesn't cut it.
Why not join a guild that just does 5 mans then? Not every pve guild raids. Then you'd get to know people and they'd get to know you. Earn some street cred.
It's very rare that I'd be willing to tank in my t4/badge gear for a pug, in fact I don't think I've ever done it. It's too expensive to waste time on people who can't manage to play their class at even 70% of it's ability so I only tank for friends and people they know don't suck or people from other sucessful raiding guilds.
Just a little constructive feedback from a new warrior -- I found this site while searching for something, don't remember what it was. I had a warrior, but was a little apprehensive about playing it much because I knew nothing about playing one. After spending some time on this site and all of the referenced sites, I started leveling my warrior. Thanks to all you expert contributers, I will ding lvl 70 tonight with around 485 defense (I could easily gem for 490, because it is all stam gems, but i expect another piece or two from this list). On our guild site, I am one of the primary contributors to the warrior forum and am bringing up issues that some of the "old" warriors were unaware of. Thanks for this list Polar and the awesome community effort Ciderhelm et all. You gave me a renewed interest in WOW and a lot to look forward to while improving my warrior.
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