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    Warrior A couple of these cooldowns are either more...

    A couple of these cooldowns are either more useful than a raw EH calculation would suggest or vary with regards to circumstance. Specifically, shield block has a variable contribution depending on...
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    I like having the taunt mechanic personally. ...

    I like having the taunt mechanic personally. Yes, it can be horribly misused, but it can also be a wipe saver if something bad happens to your tank or healer.
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    Tanking When I say "RNG related to EHP" or anything of...

    When I say "RNG related to EHP" or anything of that sort I am referencing the possibility (but not certainty) for death despite increased EHP. I think we basically agree with each other and this is...
  4. Death Knight Are you using rune strike?

    Are you using rune strike?
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    Tanking Are you talking about doing the math wrong or...

    Are you talking about doing the math wrong or doing the tanking wrong? If you're talking about the math, I'm not assuming that average damage is always what happens, in fact my entire point is that...
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    Tanking Sure, but there's also a (usually noticeably...

    Sure, but there's also a (usually noticeably lower) minimum value. There is a chance that stamina will save you if you take three average or below average back-to-back hits (or slash/swarm/hit or...
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    Tanking I am not trying to prove that stam stacking (or...

    I am not trying to prove that stam stacking (or as you more precisely said above, EHP stacking) is wrong. I agree completely. (It turns out, by the way, that for a boss that can three-round you,...
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    Tanking There are actually 85 sets of 3 in an 87 attack...

    There are actually 85 sets of 3 in an 87 attack series. ; (

    To the best of my knowledge, neither I nor Nephelai is suggesting that stacking avoidance is actually worthwhile given the way things...
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    Tanking It's even more complicated than that...

    It's even more complicated than that unfortuantely. Since in this day and age we really don't care about healer mana, all we care about is the probability of tank death to heavy incoming damage (or...
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    Tanking It's not uniform, but it does make it less...

    It's not uniform, but it does make it less valuable. Avoidance is better the more of it you have, and unlike stacking more avoidance rating, CotT ignores diminishing returns (which are roughly...
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    Tanking His point is that avoidance has a non-zero...

    His point is that avoidance has a non-zero overall value because it will occasionally convert worst-case scenarios into non-worst case scenarios. At the end of the day, the stat you want to stack...
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    Tanking I'm not saying "man I wish I had a Blood DK". I'm...

    I'm not saying "man I wish I had a Blood DK". I'm saying I don't consider the utility any tanking class brings to be a primary draw (and specifically the utility from talent trees). Leader of the...
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    Tanking Forgive me if I am misrepresenting your position,...

    Forgive me if I am misrepresenting your position, but from what I have gathered from your previous posts it seems like you feel like DKs' major weakness as a tanking class are:

    - Lack of raid...
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    Death Knight Did I miss something? What's happening to...

    Did I miss something? What's happening to Hysteria? :(
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    Tanking Unless you're having threat issues, I would...

    Unless you're having threat issues, I would switch them around. If you're not having threat issues, Bryn'troll and Ramaladni's are basically identical in terms of the effective health they provide...
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    Tanking There's really nothing too difficult right now...

    There's really nothing too difficult right now about balancing three trees to all be able to tank and dps (balancing them for PvP too is another matter entirely, but that's difficult for any DPS...
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    Death Knight Um, I think we agree with each other actually. ...

    Um, I think we agree with each other actually.

    To be clear, I'm not saying that the new WotN is going to be overpowered. It's definitely by far the best 3 talent points you can take as a death...
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    Death Knight Not only this, but even if you have perfect...

    Not only this, but even if you have perfect healer performance, heals don't come reactively in raids. If you are a tank, you are being constantly spammed by at least one person. Mana is no issue in...
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    Death Knight Blood sets up its threat in about 6 seconds. ...

    Blood sets up its threat in about 6 seconds. Frost does it in 1.5. That's a pretty significant difference when you're killing trash packs within 15-20 seconds of the dps starting.

    That's not the...
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    Death Knight We've never had any problems with it.

    We've never had any problems with it.
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    Death Knight I'm not sure how to interpret this. Are you...

    I'm not sure how to interpret this. Are you suggesting that blood has comparable snap AoE to frost? Sustained threat doesn't matter very much since AoE trash doesn't really last long. If you think...
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    Death Knight Truth be told, Glyph of Rune Strike is already...

    Truth be told, Glyph of Rune Strike is already pretty unnecessary for threat. It's almost completely useless for AoE threat and single target threat is absolutely fine without it. At various points...
  23. Tanking Expertise just isn't that great a threat stat for...

    Expertise just isn't that great a threat stat for DKs (at least blood DKs; I'm not sure about Frost). For me, if I'm tanking something where I'm getting meleed constantly, about half my threat comes...
  24. I just noticed this comment. Raid balancing isn't...

    I just noticed this comment. Raid balancing isn't an issue for a couple of reasons:

    - Defense is going to be removed anyway. Tanking weapons and DPS weapons will be statted more similarly than...
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    Paladin While I agree with this, there's still no good...

    While I agree with this, there's still no good reason to use them on Deathbringer Saurfang. They're never going to turn a wipe into a success (they just don't do enough damage) but they can...
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