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    In classic guilds needed the logistical benefits...

    In classic guilds needed the logistical benefits of working together under a single name in order to accomplish anything; you didnt get regular non-guild groups running MC or BWL, unless they were a...
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    Tanking I find it bizarre that there are players who...

    I find it bizarre that there are players who would complain about a BUFF... what, because it makes their role viable at lower gear and experience levels? Get over yourselves you primadonnas!
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    What's the mystery? DKs have always had superior...

    What's the mystery? DKs have always had superior threat generation... they tank with a 2H and expertise capped, meaning that they hit both harder and more often, hence generate more threat.

    If...
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    I dont see why youre pimping your 'non-guild raid...

    I dont see why youre pimping your 'non-guild raid group' setup so hard Quinafoi; surely you realise that such arrangements are a tiny minority in the raiding community?

    Its a bit like advocating...
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    Okay, Ill bite : maybe these people were...

    Okay, Ill bite : maybe these people were responding to the OP, who expressly WAS talking about pugs, and not you?

    Also, what guilds have that pugs (or 'non guild affiliated groups of players' if...
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    To succeed in raids, you need to have a...

    To succeed in raids, you need to have a commitment from the members of the group to stick together after wiping... the problem with pug raids is that most players wont endure wipe after wipe, even if...
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    What happened in WoW is simply that Blizzard...

    What happened in WoW is simply that Blizzard created a larger audience for the MMORPG genre than had previously existed, and this expanded audience wasnt the 'hardcore online gamer' stereotype (which...
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    ... Historically this has never been a...

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    Historically this has never been a strong motivator for players to kill world bosses. They do it either because of a quest or for the loot, otherwise it gets ignored like the whalesharks.
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    Well, by 'griefing' and 'kill-stealing' in the...

    Well, by 'griefing' and 'kill-stealing' in the context of world bosses, Im talking about players or groups of players who interfere with organised groups attempting to fight the boss... usually by...
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    Fair enough, I might have read more into your...

    Fair enough, I might have read more into your comments about preferring WoW the way it was, to how it is now. In context of this thread Im sure you can understand how that could happen.


    Aimed...
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    So why do you want to turn wow into a different...

    So why do you want to turn wow into a different game when you've already taken the step of playing other MMOs? Why not just enjoy playing inferior competitors/clones and leave wow for the players who...
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    Its archaic and WoW players have come to expect...

    Its archaic and WoW players have come to expect better... I doubt you would actually enjoy it in practise.
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    There are some rare spawns that require a small...

    There are some rare spawns that require a small group to defeat, hardly the same thing as the world bosses of classic wow.

    Even the new hunter pets are prone to drama, due to the ease with which a...
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    This idea seems on par with AQ-gate-opening type...

    This idea seems on par with AQ-gate-opening type events; requires hundreds of players investing time/resources and cool if you were there, but ultimately pointless after the fact and not a good use...
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    I remember that weapon from classic... It was...

    I remember that weapon from classic... It was good because you could get it as low as level 30, but I preferred the Ravager; it had a chance to trigger off every hit so when you were spamming cleave...
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    Warrior Im pretty sure that choosing SMF vs TG still...

    Im pretty sure that choosing SMF vs TG still comes down to the quality of weapons you have access to; I was TG at the start of 4.2 because I had good 2H weapons from t11, however I switched to SMF as...
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    Tanking Okay, I get that you're not all that impressed by...

    Okay, I get that you're not all that impressed by the proc / on-use effects of the t12 tanking trinkets, but since their stat component makes them clearly superior to the t11h trinks, I dont see...
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    Tanking Scales of Life give a ~20k (from warrior talents)...

    Scales of Life give a ~20k (from warrior talents) self-heal every 1 minute, whats bad about that? I think warriors particularly appreciate it since they dont have many source of self-healing. It...
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    Tanking Symbiotic worm; because mastery > dodge, and...

    Symbiotic worm; because mastery > dodge, and because its one less button to push. Take Spidersilk Spindle, Moonwell Phial or Stay of Execution over either T11 trinkets as soon as you are able though.
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    Tanking Blacksmithing is a little more versatile than JC...

    Blacksmithing is a little more versatile than JC for being able to get the gems you want regardless of available slots, however I think you will get a lot more out of JC on the whole; you can...
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    DPS I dont think you have to worry about your raid's...

    I dont think you have to worry about your raid's DPS unless you are hitting boss enrage timers... then all it usually takes is a quick look at the meters to figure out who is underperforming relative...
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    Warrior This one is very basic; in PvP when fighting...

    This one is very basic; in PvP when fighting other melee classes (ideally 1v1) Heroic Leap away and immediately Intercept back into combat whenever these abilities are off CD to take advantage of the...
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    All healing reduction abilities are standardised...

    All healing reduction abilities are standardised at 10%; both debuffs have a 10 sec duration, the only difference is that the debuff from mortal strike is guaranteed from a successful attack with the...
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    I have frequently encountered the assumption that...

    I have frequently encountered the assumption that Arms always > Fury for PvP, particularly in arenas... but Im not convinced this assumption is valid.

    I think that both specs have different areas...
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    Warrior I cant fault your talents, or anything specific...

    I cant fault your talents, or anything specific in your gear... there may be small things which I would do differently, but they cannot be causing you very big problems.

    I think Loganisis has it...
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