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    Warrior EDIT: disregard what I wrote before. I found how...

    EDIT: disregard what I wrote before. I found how to report inappropriate moderator behaviour and did it.
  2. If you're looking at analysis: World of Logs will...

    If you're looking at analysis: World of Logs will be fine. You can use the information given above by Fledern and uglybbtoo:

    - select the sindra fight
    - use the debuff gained tab to see when...
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    Tanking Yes, I agree with felhoof, it's way too early to...

    Yes, I agree with felhoof, it's way too early to judge. Something which was evident from my two instance runs is that Zerg-lol-AoE mode is dead. Also, boss fights are more complex, closer to the...
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    It's way too early to talk about this: - we...

    It's way too early to talk about this:
    - we don't know if the perks provided by the professions will remain identical
    - we don't know how the raid mechanics will work
    - already in WotLK there was...
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    Tanking He didn't write anything of the sort. Don't...

    He didn't write anything of the sort.
    Don't assume that "EH optimizations are overrated" is synonymous of "avoidance rules". It isn't.

    And this doesn't strike you as a problem? The validity of...
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    Tanking 1) LK25HM != ICC. 2) Lack of EH optimization !=...

    1) LK25HM != ICC.
    2) Lack of EH optimization != avoidance-savvy tank.
    3) if even with EH optimization RNG can wipe means that RNG is more king than EH..... EH is supposed to be the solution to RNG....
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    Tanking This is contradicting. BTW I asked for hard...

    This is contradicting.

    BTW I asked for hard data, not for memories of the raid. Do you have statistics on tank deaths which indicate that a +x% difference in EH makes the difference? Humans are...
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    Tanking You've missed my point. What I question is the...

    You've missed my point. What I question is the importance of that "optimal setup" you mention. Do you have statistics backing the fact that X% more EHP saves you from from a raid wipe? Because...
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    Tanking Personally, EHP is already long dead. Ok, maybe...

    Personally, EHP is already long dead. Ok, maybe not "long", but in ICC it died. The great majority of raid wipes I was in were not related to "omg the tank died and 5khp more would have saved him",...
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    Frankly, I find this very unsurprising. I don't...

    Frankly, I find this very unsurprising. I don't know who had the WONDERFUL idea of forcing us to log in with the e-mail address instead of the good old classic "login" which had no use whatsoever...
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    I did the same. What I don't like is that I...

    I did the same. What I don't like is that I think it includes also AFK time (like /played does) which messes up my statistics. For example I connect before dinner and usually have dinner without...
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    There are a lot of fundamental differences. It's...

    There are a lot of fundamental differences.
    It's in my mailbox: you have to move your ass, come here, recognize my mailbox, force it, have a ton of people seeing you do it.
    It's in my place of...
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    Ok, so a pattern is starting to emerge: -...

    Ok, so a pattern is starting to emerge:

    - aggro management in the hand of the tank (which means no MD/TotT), taunt immunity
    - accurate positioning
    - gear switching

    Apologies if I skip all the...
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    My question is not vague at all. This thread is...

    My question is not vague at all. This thread is called "what do you feel is not fun about tanking". Reading the posts it seems that eveyrything is not fun. So I ask: provide one example of what...
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    Yes I know, but one reason I asked is to see if...

    Yes I know, but one reason I asked is to see if someone can provide some concrete example. I don't mean a full game design document, just a single example of tanking mechanics in one combat, and...
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    Forgive me for interrupting the trip down memory...

    Forgive me for interrupting the trip down memory lane, where everything was wonderful, fun and shiny..... and let me ask hypotetical question:

    The phone rings and Blizzard is on the line: "We've...
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    I disagree. Some of the points raised by a...

    I disagree. Some of the points raised by a previous poster do apply in HM while being a lot less relevant in normal. A stray add in HM is usually catastrophic, since it will OS any non-tank. Also,...
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    Can you bring up an example? In my druid tank...

    Can you bring up an example? In my druid tank experience the only watering down I've seen is swipe becoming 360', which made AoE tanking a swipespamfest. At the same time, when swipe was frontal...
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    This is because you've learned how to handle it,...

    This is because you've learned how to handle it, and now it's not "new and shiny anymore". If you think that failing at tanking is much harder, try to do some PUgging and you'll see that a lot of...
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    Random comments: - reactive vs proactive...

    Random comments:

    - reactive vs proactive "buttons": as long as the TTL of a tank is so short, reactive buttons are out of the question, since by the time you see you need it, you're already dead. ...
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    I find amazing the amount of hate for AVR. It's...

    I find amazing the amount of hate for AVR. It's a very nice idea, and the info it provided during encounters (via AVRE) makes the fights more interesting (and not less) for me. I find it to be...
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    Druid ....which, considering current content, is...

    ....which, considering current content, is completely irrelevant, since heals will be spam-healing just the same. BTW I'd like to see a druid tank with 50%+ avoidance in ICC.
  23. After going though the logs with more detail, I...

    After going though the logs with more detail, I can confirm that Dragaan's interpretation is 100% correct. The first hit can do some massive damage, since it bypasses armor. We did it again with no...
  24. Thanks for your answers. 50% weapon damage is...

    Thanks for your answers. 50% weapon damage is computed how? (i.e. it's 30k with mitigation?) I'll have to ask for the logs, but on one of the tries I remember 45k + 45k. What surprised us is that...
  25. Weird behaviour of Soul Reaper in LK25 normal

    Hello,
    we just did some chain-wiping in our LK25 normal attempts, and in ALL cases, the log (recount, grimreaper), reports a double application of Soul Reaper on our main tank (we don't do a...
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