Riprap
23 Nov : 14:12
And I realize this makes me very extreme. But I think that imbecility like that has gone on for far too long to continue to be excused.

Riprap
23 Nov : 14:12
I think people that continue to hold such opinions are at best probationary humans, and at worst have abdicated their humanity (if they continue to hold those opinions in the face of evidence that their opinions are anti-human).

I am not interested in killing people like that, because that makes me little better than they are. But I will in no way respect their opinion, nor respect them as a person.

Rhaina
23 Nov : 13:58
I think there is a difference between respecting someone's humanity and respecting the person as an individual, or agreeing with his opinions, or respecting those opinions.

As a corner case, consider the person whose opinion is that I should be taken out and stoned to death. I reserve the right to resist that any action he takes in support of that opinion. That doesn't mean I allow myself to forget that this is also a human being, even if I decide to resist him and his ideas.

Riprap
23 Nov : 13:15
Sorry, Hammer, just because people hold an opinion doesn't mean there is any requirement to respect them, the opinion, or anything about him. People who have racist or misogynistic opinions should be called on it, and shunned from the ranks of human-ness.

I don't care what 'context' applies. If an entire society holds opinions that enslave members of their society, then those societies should be shunned. And while it may be 'disastrous' for someone in that society to hold non-misogynistic or non-racist opinions, they are by no means correct from a human standpoint.

Gertrudis
23 Nov : 13:05
Hammerstone, it is an opinion... but just because it IS an opinion doesn't mean that it isn't also completely true and correct.

And yes, it is my fervent hope that enough people pick up Rhaina's opinion that his 'context' or whathaveyou is burnt down to its cidnders and its ashes dispersed, to the point where all future generations in the world are left scratching their heads and saying "People actually thought that way?"

Hammerstone
23 Nov : 12:56
Rhaina you do realize that calling his beliefs reprehensible is an opinion right? In his eyes they are not reprehensible and his opinion is just as valid as yours. Nothing makes your view more right then his.

Now, in this particular case, context applies. having that view over here won't work, but taking your view to his context would be as disastrous for you as his view in your context is for him.

Evol
23 Nov : 12:55
Now I have En Vogue stuck in my head.

Itanya_Blade
23 Nov : 12:18
I'm already sick to death of Shadowmourne. Mr. Always prepared (aka the Elite Gamer) has been going on and on abuot the damn thing. About how awesome it is. About how he already has all the mats but the special raid drops.

I just want to shout "YOU ARE NEVER GETTING IT!"

Rhaina
23 Nov : 12:08
I feel sorry for 17-year-olds who are raised with a set of beliefs they didn't get to choose and then placed in an environment where those beliefs don't serve them well, and left to try to sort it out for themselves. Some do, some don't.

The beliefs he held are reprehensible, but sending a child who had been raised to think of them as normal to a place where they would only get him into trouble was unfair to him.

That's why I feel KIND OF sorry for him. He was given a horrible set of tools, and then abandoned to try to function in a place he was utterly unprepared for, and he was still a child when it happened. Given a choice between his principles and mine, I choose mine. That doesn't mean I can't also have compassion for the situation he found himself in.

Now, if he was still spouting that crap a year later, my compassion would burn itself right out.

Hammerstone
23 Nov : 12:03
Did I ever mention I hate interviewing people for job positions? With every interview I do my faith in people's truthfulness on their resumes fades.

Does it have anything to do with WoW? No. Everything to do with my Monday? Yes.

Grrrrr

Riprap
23 Nov : 10:02
We've got a thread about Shadowmourne on our guild forums now. I PM'd the Guild Leader giving him my thoughts on it, including Evol's advice of "You know who should get it. Just give it to them." I think it's the same kind of deal. I know who I think should get it. I also know of a few people who will get bent out of shape if they aren't given it (something that imo works against them in the entirely arbitrary calculation of 'deservedness').

Gertrudis
23 Nov : 08:50
The old British saying about suttee-pyres and gibbets comes to mind..

Riprap
23 Nov : 06:51
Maybe you're using 'felt sorry' in a different way than I'm understanding it, but I sure don't feel sorry for anyone who holds that kind of attitude. I'm not a big fan of anyone who assumes that another human being is a lesser creature.

Rhaina
23 Nov : 04:50
I actually felt kind of sorry for the kid. He really could not wrap his head around having a woman in a position of authority over him so he flunked the three classes he had which were taught by women.

Really, he was way too rigid to be studying abroad, and it seemed like no one had warned him. Not that I liked his theory about stoning me to death, but he really was bewildered.

Dairyas
22 Nov : 22:57
...you're more than welcome to go back to your country if you don't like our education system?