Warrior PvE dps

Warrior PvE DPS

It is a well known fact that warriors can, to the dismay of some, do some incredible dps. However many may wonder what is the best spec for warriors do dish out damage in PvE with. I have wondered this too. But, I was unable to test anything because as you see (armory me) I am not in the best of gear. Hell, my gear plain sucks. So when blizzard brought the premades back I jumped on the opportunity. Blizzard gave the premades some pretty nice dps gear and some pvp gear. I will be showing you the results of the best case test on each one

Every test was tested against a Servant of Razelikh. Each PvE dps test is based over a period of 6 minutes and 35 seconds
only buff was battleshout. every stat given in battlestance unbuffed

Information gathered using SW stats
I used the same specs for both the DW and 2h variations of each test. So each two hand test has more dps potential than stated due to lack of improved slam

Abilities used during these tests

Bloodthirst
Whirlwind
Heroic strike
Deathwish
Trinkets
Slam
Sword specialization

There will be more updates as I continue to test

Contents:
1.0 Item List
2.0 Tests
2.1 Full Fury
2.1.1 Dual wield
2.1.2 Two hand
2.2 Fury Swords
2.2.1 Dual wield
2.2.2 Two hand
2.3 Fury Axes
2.3.1 Dual wield
2.3.2 Two hand
2.4 MS combos
2.4.1 MS/flurry
2.5 Few points in Prot
2.5.1 Fury/Prot
3.0 PvP viability: coming soon
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1.0
Here is the list of items I used in the tests:

Onslaught battlegear: Onslaught Battlegear - Item Sets - World of Warcraft

Worgen claw necklace
Dra.pe of Dark Reavers
Bladespire Warbands
Lion’s Heart Girdle
Dreadboots of the Legion
Ring of a Thousand Marks
Violet Signet of the Master Assassin
Bloodlust Brooch
Tsunami talisman

Bloodlust Brooch and Worgen claw necklace were only used in the dual wielding tests

Adamantite chain of the Unbroken
Mooncleaver
Lionheart Champion
Gladiator’s right ripper
Gladiator’s left ripper
Gladiator’s slicer
Gladiator’s Quickblade
Gladiator’s Hacker
Gladiator’s Cleaver
Gladiator’s crossbow
Abacus of Violent Odds

Adamantite chain mooncleaver LH champ were only used in specific tests abacus was used in all two hand tests for rage gen used the glads fist weps for full fury test used glads swords for fury/swords and used glads axes for fury/axes

2.0 Tests
All attack stats should be read X times he used it of those time he crit Y times
deep wounds is a dot

(ver) 1.2

2.1 Full Fury

Full Fury Test Spec

2.1.1 Dual Wield

Code:

Stats: Melee stats: Str 514 Crit 25.71% Agi 350 Hit 154-- 9.77% Stam 649 atk pwr 1568 Armor 10894

Tsunami talisman procs:
Enrage procs: 2
deahtwish uses: 2
bloodlust brooch uses: 2

DPS: 837

Code:

Average damage Max damage Breakup Auto Attack: 413 1536 50.7% 335 attacks 11 misses 111 crits Bloodthirst: 1311 3032 22.5% 58 uses 18 crits Heroic Strike: 956 2050 17% 60 uses 15 crits Whirlwind: 705 1587 7.6% 35 uses 11 crits Deep Wounds: 115 162 2%

Basis for all fury pve dps this is my control which I will be comparing the other specs up against

2.1.2 Two Hand

Code:

Stats: Melee Stats: Str 514 Crit 27.46% Agi 330 Hit 127 hit rating 8.05% Stam 605 Atk Pwr 1602 Armor 10854

I switched out Worgen Claw necklace with Adamantite Chain of the unbroken
I replaced dual gladiator fist weps with Mooncleaver and replaced bloodlust brooch with abacus of violet odds.

Fury Two hand

TT procs: 3
En procs: 3
DW uses: 3
abacus uses: 4

DPS: 825

Code:

AVG MAX Breakup AA(autoattack) 1249 2250 47.2% 118 attacks 38 crits BT(bloodthirst) 1470 2508 26.3% 53 uses 18 crits WW(whirlwind) 1394 2347 14% 33 uses 14 crits HS(heroicstrike) 1620 2855 8.4% 14 uses 5 crits DpW(deepwounds) 196 278 4.8%

surprisingly i managed to pull of about the same dps. the problem is is that it seems to vary a whole lot as i mentioned before my other tests turned up widely different results. so it CAN work... but why WOULD you? if you really want to pvp but don't want to respec from full fury just slap on a two hander. and don't use rampage. it should work pretty nicely (though not nearly as well as MS)

(Ver) 1.2

2.2 Fury Swords

Fury Words test spec

2.2.1 Dual Wield

I used the same gear for this test as the full fury dps test except I’m using gladiators slicer and quickblade same stats

TT procs: 5
EN procs: 1
BB uses: 3
DW uses: 2

DPS: 846

Code:

AVG MAX Breakup AA: 352 1275 41.1% 399 attacks 17 misses 24 crits HS: 927 1818 23% 71 uses 24 crits BT: 1182 2501 21.3% 56 uses 1 miss 22 crits WW: 649 1349 6.7% 35 uses 5 crits SS(swordspec): 64 1248 6.5% 26 attacks 9 crits DpW: 100 167 1.4%

This spec really surprised me. At first I didn’t think that it was going to out do full fury for the lack of improved berserker stance. But as I started testing I was looking into my combat log. On one of my tests I had just as many sword spec procs as I had whirlwinds having the fast offhander and sword spec proccing off of everything but itself really made this a valuable asset to the dps. it does about the same as my full fury test. but it also has more pvp viability (throw on a two hander now you have sword spec with everything else :P)

sword spec doesn't use the weapon that procced it for the attack it uses the main hand weapon even if the offhand made the attack. i'm going to do some testing to see if it will proc without a mainhand sword. it will proc less though

2.2.2 Two Hand

Two hand Fury Swords

same gear as two handed full fury test except using lionheart champion

Code:

str: 524 agi: 374 stam: 605 armor: 10342 AP: 1594 Hit: 119 (7.55%) Crit: 26.44%

LH: 9
TT: 6
AB: 4
EN: 2
DW: 3

793 dps

Code:

Average Damage Max Breakup AA: 1127 2086 44.9 124 hits 43 crits BT: 1178 2482 20.8 55 uses 17 crits WW: 1188 2168 15.7 41 uses 17 crits Slam: 1213 2497 10.1 26 uses 5 crits DpW: 171 252 4.3 SS: 1305 1930 4.2 10 procs 5 crits

this spec varies widely during dps going from massive dps to average dps constantly it has some pretty good pvp viability (still not as good as arms) but it IS possible. Still a pretty good spec :P

next up fury axes. maybe i'll get some crazy results

with all the two handers it seems the variable is how much rage you generate. i noticed on the high dps tests i constantly had rage. on teh low dps tests i had very little rage. i was hoping dragging it out to 6 and a half minutes would eliminate that but it appears to have an extremely large effect

2.3 Fury Axes
Fury Axes test spec

Same gear as full fury spec. except Gladiators cleaver and Gladiator’s Hacker
Same stats as full fury and fury swords DW except 30.71% chance to crit

TT: 5
EN: 3
DW: 2
BB: 3

Code:

DPS: 799 AVG MAX Breakdown AA: 361 1181 46.9% 413 attacks 162 crits 18 misses BT: 1227 2259 22.4% 58 uses 28 crits HS: 938 1753 20.6% 70 uses 26 crits WW: 764 1424 8.6% 36 uses 16 crits DpW: 106 140 1.4%

Didn’t get quite as good results. The extra 5% did seem to make a difference. But I got to the point where I was feeling that it wasn’t critting as much as it should be.maybe its just cause I had finished testing fury swords when I did this so I was used to seeing sword spec proc every 10-15 seconds and having a lot of those procs crit that just seeing more crits didn’t seem that appealing

2.3.2 Two Hand

same gear as full fury 2 hand test
same stats except 32.48% chance to crit

TT: 4
EN: 4
AB: 4
DW: 2

DPS: 707

Code:

AVG MAX Breakdown AA: 1122 2138 46.4% 116 attacks 47 crits BT: 1063 2009 22.7% 60 uses 19 crits WW:1090 1945 14% 36 uses 14 crits HS: 1478 2497 12.2% 27 uses 11 crits DpW: 163 246 4.7%

same issue with dps depending on rage generated :| probably has some pretty good pvp viability but with resilience i would probably rahter have sword spec myself just my opinion

2.4.1

MS/Flurry

MS/Flurry spec

same gear same stats as two hand fury swords

LH: 12
TT: 3
EN: 5
DW: 2
AB: 3

DPS: 814

Code:

AVG MAX Breakdown AA: 1150 2081 41.2% 117 attacks 42 crits MS: 1339 2793 22.2% 54 uses 12 crits Slam: 1448 2479 15.5% 35 uses 14 crits WW: 1051 2153 10.6% 33 uses 8 crits DpW: 180 222 5% SS: 1037 1851 3.8% 12 procs 3 crits HS: 1869 2341 1.7% 3 uses 2 crits

one of those high rage tests. Also, this talent build has imp slam in it which I used heavily the other two handed tests didn’t you would probably see a more balanced increase in dps if you picked up imp slam in the other builds. Its still up to you in my opinion though I would just stick with fury in raids. It scales better.

2.5 Few Points in Prot

2.5.1 Fury/prot

0/31/30 DW

Code:

Stats Melee Str 525 AP 1568 Agi 350 Hit 154 (9.77%) Stam 649 Crit 25.71% AC 11913

BB 3
DW 2
TT 5
EN 5

DPS 714

Code:

AVG MAX BD AA: 385 1542 54.9% 402 hits 122 crits 35 misses BT: 1096 2129 23.3% 60 attacks 17 crits HS: 927 1730 14.1% 43 attacks 13 crits WW: 630 1415 7.7% 34 attacks 6 crits

rather odd results. on one hand we have the 10% onehand wep spec making a large difference then we have it making a small difference. no idea how this spec would hold up iff you planned on offtanking but it would definitely work better than the other dps specs i've posted (for tanking).

Teragon, the code for formatting here is , without spaces. If you don't get around to editing it in is [code], I can edit in the formatting when I get a bit of time. :)

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Originally Posted by Ciderhelm

Teragon, the code for formatting here is , without spaces. If you don't get around to editing it in is [code], I can edit in the formatting when I get a bit of time. :)

yes please you kinda confused me and tahnks alot for letting me bring this here.

that tag got all messed up in my post. lol

yeah, i'll redo those either soon tonight or early tomorrow

i already fixed it =)

alrite. I'll get this stickied and webpaged as well once there are some responses. Do you mind if I do a little formatting (bolds, letter sizing, spacing, etc)?

go ahead! i'm not really that great at the programming thing... well only cause i never learned :P

I need to touch up the formatting on this again, I actually just screwed a few of the CODE tables trying to fix them. :D

Until that point, the page is here:
TankSpot - Warcraft Warrior's Reference - PVE DPS Spec Analysis

I wouldn't suggest making that public til we get all the formatting done right, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ciderhelm

I need to touch up the formatting on this again, I actually just screwed a few of the CODE tables trying to fix them. :D

Until that point, the page is here:
TankSpot - Warcraft Warrior's Reference - PVE DPS Spec Analysis

I wouldn't suggest making that public til we get all the formatting done right, though.

i'm currently updating two handed fury swords/axes right now and will be updating consistently as blizzard makes changes obviously. but at least let me finish retesting the swords and axes :P

Hey Cider. i changed the name of this to Beserk: a Warrior DPS spec analysis

Sure. I'll update that ASAP :) Have to get a couple small things done first.

I'm going to align the stuff in Code as well and put it onto the main site.

interesting stuff ;)

Not sure why you used imp intercept over imp execute for PvE damage, tho it probably doesn't matter as it would be 'unfair' - I've hit 1200 DPS on those mobs using imp execute..

I did similar tests at one stage between 17/44 & 11/50
WoW Forums -> Tested: 17/44 v 11/50 DW PvE DPS

test was done with macros so I could ensure consistent damage using bloodthirst, 1 heroic strike repeated and hitting whirlwind whenever up. I also used a macro to ensure my Battle shout, abacus, rampage and zerker rage were always active at the same times for both talent build tests. data from recap and swstats

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Originally Posted by Mozman

interesting stuff ;)

Not sure why you used imp intercept over imp execute for PvE damage, tho it probably doesn't matter as it would be 'unfair' - I've hit 1200 DPS on those mobs using imp execute..

I did similar tests at one stage between 17/44 & 11/50
WoW Forums -> Tested: 17/44 v 11/50 DW PvE DPS

test was done with macros so I could ensure consistent damage using bloodthirst, 1 heroic strike repeated and hitting whirlwind whenever up. I also used a macro to ensure my Battle shout, abacus, rampage and zerker rage were always active at the same times for both talent build tests. data from recap and swstats

yes i didn't pick up improved execute for these tests as i did not use execute. and i have actually found a 20 second intercept to be very nice in many raid encounters.

Teragon, I remember Aedak saying that about Intercept way back in the day. :p

i am really sorry i haven't added more tests. the test realms have been down a lot lately and I've been feeling kinda burned out expecting many changes between now and WotLK. not sure how different things are going to be. this will be outdated with the addition of the 10 levels and new talents

ok added a "Few Points in Prot" section

Very interesting results. I may change my DW fury spec to include sword spec during a farm raid and see if I notice it helping my damage.

The only thing that concerns me is that in the base DW fury test, you don't use Rampage at all. I understand you were trying to keep the specs fair and such, but not using the last talent really gimps the result. The 250 attack power from Rampage converts into just over 17 DPS. Considering the DW sword spec version beat the normal DW fury build by only nine DPS, this is pretty significant if you just compare these two.

I know your intent wasn't to compare those two so I appreciate what you did.

Actually i DID use rampage... i just didn't mention it because i assumed it would be obvious that i would use it

and i found that sometimes it was hurting my dps trying to keep it up.

most of these specs are roughly the same in this gear... they are all subject to vary wildly for other gear. but this does show hat there are definitely more specs to suite more playstyles. i mean i actually sort of like fury swords in pvp. just bust out the two hander and go to town >:D

Tbh, i don't believe that tests like this one are good to define the dps potential of warrior. The results you got don't represent at all the dps that a warrior will have in a raid situation.

Tests against Servant of Razelikh, i remember them to be done in order to find the miss chance or the contribution of weapon skill since you can achieve thousands of attacks against these mobs and therefore get a large pool of swings.

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Originally Posted by Teragon

Actually i DID use rampage... i just didn't mention it because i assumed it would be obvious that i would use it

and i found that sometimes it was hurting my dps trying to keep it up.

most of these specs are roughly the same in this gear... they are all subject to vary wildly for other gear. but this does show hat there are definitely more specs to suite more playstyles. i mean i actually sort of like fury swords in pvp. just bust out the two hander and go to town >:D

Very interesting then. I'm going to respec before Nightbane tonight and grab sword spec. I definitely want to see it before the windfury change happens.