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Old 06-24-2008, 06:40 PM
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Yeah, back when I still played my lock I did similar. Very slow and steady DPS during P1, life tap to full, and shatter just before P2 hit, then use trinkets and nuke as hard as I could in P2. Sometimes during P3 I would cap out again but generally was fine.
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Old 06-25-2008, 01:08 AM
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What classes are pulling agro? Apart from the odd ones no one should be - insist that mages invis at 62% (yes its a few seconds of no dps but it means they can go all out from then on without a problem - i play a mage alt so I know this to be true), remind hunters to burn misds and fiegn deaths and locks to soulshatter (and hope its not resisted). Melee shouldnt be a problem, as the chances are they are running in and out for the aoe he does (sorry cant remember the name). I can't access armory atm, but if you are overgeared then stack expertise and hit, but tbh I tanked prince with about 20 hit and no expertise, ofc if your dps is overgeared as well then it could be more of a problem.

As far as debuffs go - you can always get a lock to put up CoW if you want some more gcds to spare and if you're not dieing in P1, I wouldnt stress too much about thunderclap, although in theory it doesnt use up too many gcds you can sometimes run into some nasty series of resists
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Old 06-25-2008, 04:18 AM
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It sounds like there's not a hunter in the group. That would help a lot. MDs, FDs, AND scorpid sting in P2.
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Old 06-25-2008, 01:23 PM
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I would certainly not trust beimba for telling me what content I should be tanking. I suppose you could use it as a tool. But it's telling me to tank early T6. No thank you.
Uhh, wtf not? You're easily geared for early T6 content, man.

What's with this general lack of confidence in the Tanking community? You have better gear than probably 90% of the Tanks who first set foot in BT when it opened, let alone MH (which you could probably MT besides Archimonde).


As for your problems on Prince, if DPS are pulling aggro it's not your problem. DPS's one and only job is to not pull aggro. If they're "blaming" you for their own incompetence, then find a new Kara group.

That's not to say you shouldn't try to improve your threat output, but lower threat from you should result only in reduced DPS - never in aggro pulling. Pulling aggro is not your problem to solve, it's a mistake on the part of the DPSer and the solution is to teach that person how to play their class properly. Period.
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:33 PM
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Uhh, wtf not? You're easily geared for early T6 content, man.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:20 PM
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I do not want to:

1) find a 25 man group/guild that I
A) Get along with
B) Raids at times convenient for me

2) learn 3 T4 bosses I haven't seen yet, 11 (?) T5 bosses, and 14 (?) T6 bosses from scratch

That's all I'd rather have a bear mount and collect gold for xpac.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:14 PM
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I do not want to:

1) find a 25 man group/guild that I
A) Get along with
B) Raids at times convenient for me

2) learn 3 T4 bosses I haven't seen yet, 11 (?) T5 bosses, and 14 (?) T6 bosses from scratch

That's all I'd rather have a bear mount and collect gold for xpac.
Well, not being willing or able to run certain instances is different than saying you're not geared for them.

Be Imba! is relatively accurate with its estimates I've found. Much more accurate than most people on the game itself.
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:55 PM
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Thanks all.

We do use Omen but some people have a hard time reading it. We spoke to the ones pulling aggro and they will focus more on it.

Yes, I am on the normal tanking boss rotation and I never miss a SS or revenge. What we don't do is have dps wait for me to get sufficient threat at the outset. The result is that they catch up during phase 2. So then I'm playing a cat and mouse game with the dps. It was mostly the mage and warlock going all out.

We'll see Prince again this week and I'm going to tell dps to lay off during phase one and let me build more threat. I will also try to DM/TC only during phase 2. Lets see how it goes.

By default, there's a whole lotta flashes, text, and warning sounds that goes off with omen when you reach X amount of threat. I believe default is set to 90% threat of the mob's current target. The threshold, warning, sounds, and texts are configurable. They dont need to keep their eyes glued to omen..at least not until the warnings goes off.

as others have mentioned, classes like rogues, mages, and hunters have complete agro wiping abilites. warlocks have soul shatter (50% permanent agro reduction...available every 5 min).

also as mentioned by others....hunter misdirects at the start and whenever available is huge for helping add to your threat. shaman's earthshield and a priests prayer of mending helps as well.
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Old 06-27-2008, 05:47 AM
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Prince is dead. Thanks to all.

We do have a hunter and he did MD to me at the start. Not sure after. Also, the classes that pulled aggro were lock and mage. They do have omen but were simply not paying attention.

All's well now but we've wiped on Nightbane 4 times! LOL
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Prince is dead. Thanks to all.

We do have a hunter and he did MD to me at the start. Not sure after. Also, the classes that pulled aggro were lock and mage. They do have omen but were simply not paying attention.

All's well now but we've wiped on Nightbane 4 times! LOL
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