[akuatank]

Hello all! I would like to start a discussion on what different people would consider the current BiS trinkets to be for warrior tanking, and just tanking in general (although I understand different classes need different stats). Basically I'd just like for this thread to be a place for people to brainstorm different ideas of combinations of trinkets, as well as help out myself as well as others who may be unsure of how exactly they could best optimize their tanking.
From what I've seen and experienced, the main choices of Best in Slot trinket would be between:

~Heart of Iron (25 man Ulduar- Ignis)
-162 stamina
-Use: Increases dodge rating by 432 for 20 seconds (2min cd)
~Eitrigg's Oath
-114 dodge
-Use: When struck by attack you gain 1256 armor. Stacks up to 5 times, lasts 20 sec. (2min cd)
~Juggernaut's Vitality
-192 stamina
-Use: Increases maximum health by 4610 for 15 sec. (3min cd)
~The Black Heart
-126 stamina
-Equip: Each time a melee attack strikes you, chance to gain 7056 armor for 10 sec.

This is more of an introduction and jumping off point for the discusssion, I haven't really gone into any detail about why some trinkets are better than others, and I've probably missed a few good trinket options. Feel free to post your thoughts or suggestions on the matter. =)

[kpxneophyte]

Gear for the encounter.

E.G. Spell caster/you get stunned a lot/bleeds and such? EH is the way to go (Juggernaut's Vitality and Heart of Iron)

Melee encounter? Go with whatever you think is necessary. (Maybe Eitrigg's Oath and Heart of Iron due to proc)

[Insahnity]

For raw stamina, Satrina's in Regular and Heroic Version can't be beat (I refuse to acknowledge this Juggernaut's Vitality you speak of in this forum).

For mere mortals, you are back down to Brewfest trinkets (170 stamina x 2). Get them while they are available!

[Kojiyama]

Eitrigg's Oath/Fervor of the Frostborn

This trinket is terrible. I have modeled it in my updated Rawr code based on how it actually works and with optimal realistic uptime of the buff. It's really quite useless, mainly because it requires getting hit to stack and simply takes way too long to stack to be useful.

(If it makes tanks feel any better, almost all of these similar trinkets are horrible.)

Juggernaut's Vitality/Satrina's Scarab

Very nice trinket, especially for pure Stamina. Heroic version is probably likely going to be the number one trinket in most cases. Non-heroic version is nice if you don't have the Heroic, but similar in EH to The Black Heart. As a second trinket if you have the heroic, the non-heroic version is viable but much closer to other options--especially as the Use effect shares a cooldown with the Heroic version.

Brewfest Trinkets

Good secondary Stamina trinkets if you don't have Satrina's yet. Not really viable when looking at optimal sets, just because there's better. However, not bad while gearing up and probably better than the Ulduar Stamina trinkets.

The Black Heart

Extremely good due to its balance of HP and Armor in providing a good amount of EH. Very close to identical to the non-heroic Satrina's Scarab in terms of EH even with lowest uptime percentage on the proc. On fights where you can burn the internal cooldown while not being hit (e.g. P2 in Beasts, between add spawns/phase changes on Anub, cast periods on Twins, etc.) it gets even better.

A very viable 2nd trinket for an extremely long period of time. Arguably usable as an endgame 2nd trinket in some situations.

Onyxia Blood Talisman

Provided you do not have tons of Parry Rating already, this is the top-end avoidance trinket. Ignoring the Hp5 (which, incidentally, isn't actually that terrible even if it is a minor effect. It will still chop off 100 damage or so from every hit that doesn't kill you) it has gobs of avoidance and Defense, and with the slight increased value of Block% through Critical Block in 3.2.2 Defense is a very nice overall stat for us now.

Glyph of Indomitability

Armor offers a decent amount of assured mitigation and EH. The use effect is quite large as well. This offers one of the biggest survival time increases and is a strong candidate for use in an endgame set.

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EH Ranking
Satrina's (Heroic)
Satrina's (Normal, with no Heroic)
The Black Heart
Satrina's (Normal, with Heroic)
Glyph of Indomitability
Brewfest Trinkets
Ulduar HP Trinkets

Survival Time Ranking
Glyph of Indomitability (including Use effect)
Onyxia Blood Talisman
Satrina's (Heroic or Normal without Heroic)
The Black Heart
Ulduar HP Trinkets (including Use effects)
Satrina's (Normal with Heroic)
Eitrigg's Oath (including Use effect)
Brewfest Trinkets

Overall
Viable endgame trinkets are really Glyph of Indomitability, Satrina's Scarab, The Black Heart, and Onyxia Blood Talisman. Various mixtures thereof will provide a lot of flexibility depending on the fight.

[Mookey]

Thanks Jayde for droping Glyph to the table and explaining that 2x Satrina's is bad since you get only one use effect...

However - people... look @ the list... in EH ranking Ulduar HP trinkets - Royal Seal/Heart of Iron fall below Satrina's (2nd)/Brewfest but Ulduar HP trinkets are still better overall they just fall back a bit on numbers. Please don't use stamina BF trinkest because of stamina only...

[robbon]

We run ToC 25 normal, just started heroic modes and still have to kill mimiron/general and yogg on 25 man ulduar.

I MT as prot warrior and use Heart of Iron (ulduar drop) and Black Heart (heroic 5 man drop) as my two main tanking trinkets.

I rarely swap them out for main raids, heroics (5man) i drop in dps trinkets and AP trinkets now as my def rating is so high (550 ish) without even trying.

Best advise i think is trinket for the fight and the encounters but dont just stack stam or avoidance alone.. give yourself some flexibility.

Satrinas is pretty good and the 25man normal version is very nice but i passed on this to our druid tank as i tht they would benefit from it more than me. Im sure i will end up with it at some time..

[Kojiyama]

Well, for instance, I typically use Black Heart + Brewfest on Heroic Beasts, since I feel I need the HP buffer for eating Impale bursts in P1. However, on fights where I'm comfortable with 49k health instead of 50.5k or whatever I swap in my Onyxia Blood Talisman instead of Brewfest since it offers quite a bit more survival time.

Our Paladin tank grabbed our only Satrina's so far, so hopefully I'll be picking it up to use with The Black Heart soon instead of the Brewfest one (which makes me feel a little dirty to use.)

Personally I'll be looking at the Glyph when I get a few more badges--but I'm a bit short on badges at the moment having finished up my 4-set from Trophies and picked up a couple DPS pieces so that my offspec damage isn't epic fail when I'm not tanking. :P

I've been fairly happy with Onyxia Blood Talisman as a survival trinket, though. It's really pretty nice and I was happy to have gotten it last week. However, its value as survival compared to the Glyph is almost totally dependant on how much Parry you already have and if you have hit the heavy DR period or not. (It is also a bit dependant on the value of Defense, which depends on the incoming attack size due to Block.) Glyph is probably better in most cases for Heroic-25 though.

(There is also the argument to be made for various fights being better or worse for the Use: effect vs. the fact that the Talisman is all passive. Depending on the nature of the encounter, one is likely a bit stronger than the other.)

So, really, for ideal setup I'd probably say:
EH -> Satrina's (Heroic) + Black Heart or Glyph
Survival -> Satrina's (Heroic) + Glyph or Talisman

Without access to Satrina's (Heroic) I'd say:
EH -> Satrina's (Normal) + Black Heart or Glyph
Survival -> Glyph or Talisman + Satrina's (Normal) or Black Heart

Satrina's (Heroic) + Glyph is a great all-around combo that's good for almost everything other than magical fights. So, I can see why, for instance, Xav usually seems to have that combo equipped.

[Sotally tober]

For Heroic 10/25 ToC EH is king. Whichever gives you the highest EH is always going to be the best.
For my current gearset, double Brewmaster trinkets (have yet to see the faction champs trinket) are better than Uld trinkets/Glyph. All the avoidance in the world won't help on a Anub stun or Impale from Gormok. For everything else you have the ability to use LS/SW, which WILL save you. Trinket use abilities won't keep you alive 100% of the time, when you are working in a "must 1 shot" situation.
Glyph is likely only an EH upgrade if you have a lot of sub 245 gear. HP scales linearly and armor scales inverse logarithmically, so as you get more armor from gear, the value of using an armor only trinket, to boost your overall EH, goes down versus using a HP only trinket.

You have to run the numbers yourself whether the Glyph is going to be an upgrade over a stam trinket.

[Kojiyama]

EH is good. In fact, it may even be really really good. But maximum EH is not always the best choice.

For instance, one can very very easily make the argument for using the Glyph for overall survival time increase over a 2nd HP trinket (especially if you already have Satrina's) even though it is technically lower in EH than the pure Stamina trinkets.

Once you start breaking 50k in raids as a Warrior, it's not a terrible idea to look for where you can get large survival increases for minimal HP loss. Trinkets are probably the very best place for this, as you can get massive amounts with a single item swap.

[Bodasafa]

Im still not sold on Glyph, the static armor is minor compared to the steady proc of the Black Heart. The use is the strongest in the game currently yes, but an extra 7.23% (according to rating buster in-game) every 2 min seems lack luster IMO over a fairly constant 7k armor. Hell 7k armor is like equipping x2 Shields. Im also not a fan of the brewfest trinkets either. I use them for Sarth +3D (25) when I'm MT on Sarth for breaths, but its very situational.

I would say the top 3 are:
Satrina's (Heroic)
Satrina's (Normal)
Black Heart

I would pair both Satrina's for max HP on Most Progression/Hard Modes and Magic fights and use the highest lvl Satrina's I had with Black Heart for Melee Fights.

I have neither of the Satrina's atm so I am using Heart of Iron and Black Heart right now.

Also if your looking for another opinion on the topic Veneretio has some words out on it Here.

[Xianth]

Can you actually stack a normal and heroic version together (ie. rings and trinkets)? I assumed they'd be unique because they are the same item with only a heroic tag to denote the higher ilevel version.

Edit: NVM, seen that they can but with shared Cd on use

[Kojiyama]

Source: Bodasafa I would pair both Satrina's for max HP on Most Progression/Hard Modes and Magic fights and use the highest lvl Satrina's I had with Black Heart for Melee Fights.

As mentioned, though, the value of using both Scarabs at the same time drops significantly as they share cooldowns. Basically, the smaller one just becomes another Brewfest 2.0 trinket and is only providing Stamina.

I would think that using and of the other 3 high-end trinkets would be superior to just using a trinket for Stamina.

[Grancabro]

Brewfest 2.0 trinket give a lot of stam, but from my point of view, the stam dosent give the enought stats to tank, I understand the new tanks use it (to get more EH on dungeons and raids, mainly OT) but when I see that equipped on a "MT" is like >_>

I use the Black heart and Eitrigg's Oath (this because the Ignis trinket never drop whit me on raid) but I give more importance to the dodge effect on both trinkets, even I'm thinking on Glyph of Indomitability like a good option

[Azuae]

makes me kinda sad that a drop from a 5 man regular is soooo good still. (black heart)

[proudmoore]

Why sad? At least it's something you can easily grind for when the alternative is to still be waiting for the damn Heart of Iron to drop.

[Gromtar]

I'm a bit surprised that only EH and avoidance trinkets made it on this list. For most heroic 10-man fights (not raiding 25 any more) I'm using

Vengeance of the Forsaken - Item - World of Warcraft

Stamina is plenty on all items and never would a STA trinket have made a difference between a kill or a whipe. But 83 expertise rating helps a lot with aggro generation, especially against top notch dps.

[Crommi]

Source: Gromtar I'm a bit surprised that only EH and avoidance trinkets made it on this list. For most heroic 10-man fights (not raiding 25 any more) I'm using Vengeance of the Forsaken - Item - World of Warcraft Stamina is plenty on all items and never would a STA trinket have made a difference between a kill or a whipe. But 83 expertise rating helps a lot with aggro generation, especially against top notch dps.

I would imagine that ToC raiding tanks would rather use some +hit trinket for threat since 245 gear should easily get you hardcapped on expertise.

[Kojiyama]

Source: Crommi I would imagine that ToC raiding tanks would rather use some +hit trinket for threat since 245 gear should easily get you hardcapped on expertise.

This!

Grim Toll is quite nice still for an aggro trinket.

[Mookey]

Black Hearth + Glyph of Indomitability made Gormok tanking for me walk in the park, once you get to 40K unbuffed or 50K raid buffed you should realy take a deeper look into your mitigation/avoidance stats. Unbuffed 40K tank with 28K armor is harder to keep alive then 38K tank with 30K armor.

[Dragaan]

Honestly, you would think glyph would be nice on beasts because of how much direct tank damage there is but I find it best to stick to raw stam there. I use the glyph of indomitability a lot now, but a lot of the scariest damage on that fight is non-physical (bleeds and worm damage). Icehowl can do a lot of physical burst, but during that phase most of the healers are able to focus on the 1 tank and I dont notice much of a diff between pushing armor or stam on him. If you look at the fights in ToC on WoL or something similar, you can see that beasts actually has more non-physical damage than some of the other fights in there. Jaraxxus is a good fight to use the glyph on, since almost all of the damage the tank takes is physical and there's really no huge bursts (at least on the jaraxxus tank) so it's nice to ease the strain on the healers with the extra mitigation. Believe it or not, even tho twins heroic is not a very stressful fight as far as tank dmg goes, I feel more comfortable tanking them with the armor trinket on over 2 stam ones. Seems backwards for that fight but, after using it 2 weeks in a row there, it felt like it did me more good than just pushing for max hp.