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Old 07-01-2009, 05:55 AM
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The artwork is awesome and I'm certainly not shy of Blood Elf chicks. Kudos to the artist. What many people tend to forget though is that wonderful images aren't always the best backgrounds. Although not nearly as beautiful as this image, I think the blurred Dalaran-theme did a better job at providing a subtle forum background.
Readability is something I'm constantly monitoring. Your concern is mine as well. I'm going to give it a couple days to make sure I'm not making a twitch reaction, but what I'll probably do is increase the contrast on the outside and decrease the visibility of the background on the forum table itself.
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:56 AM
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candi candi!

My only grip is that I take a much longer time to read the posts, as every other second my eyes will be aggro ed to Shirley. Hehe ... this is quite awesome.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:01 AM
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The artwork is pretty don't get me wrong.. but wouldn't it have been nicer to have some actual tank looking armor on the elves then half naked ones?
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:06 AM
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Not to be rude, but everyone that bought a computer or laptop since WoW's release probably has a decent widescreen, which will show cleavage when browsing fullscreen.

And no, the art doesn't make me shy, but I can see it causing problems or embarrassment at least when viewing in public locations or at work. And in my opinion (not to insult the artist, who is obviously very skilled) these kind of hypersexualized images are pretty embarassing in general and are very unprofessional at best.

And I also kinda am going to agree with part of Irulan said here too. Although I wouldnt call it unprofessional... its just a pity that this could ruin the option for some people to view it at work .. i know thats one of the few times i can try and get my info.
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Calling the art unprofessional is a bit too far, I'd call it very professional and very content-related. Even Blizzard them selves have a level of "sexuality" in their game and esp. in their videos. I'd almost go as far as saying it's one of the better WoW-art pieces I've seen to date.

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Old 07-01-2009, 06:34 AM
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I am Khue and I approve of this artwork. Thanks for keeping the website fresh.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:43 AM
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Artwork is great and good job on making it.

However here are my 2c:

TANKspot... no matter others are visiting... it's still TANK +spot... it was theoryspot when we all started to visit it and it changed to TANKspot

Don't get me wrong or elitists or rasist... other classes should be welcome as guests :P Tanking is main topic here

One side horde tank... other side aly tank... in the middle? TANKspot content... place we all gather around...

Artwork minuses:
Atm in the focus are 2 horde chars (should be 1 aly 1 horde)
Night elf hunter eyes are either representing her drugged or dead while blood elf girl eyes are too "real" and less art... Orcs eyes are perfect example how painted eyes should look like.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:48 AM
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I like it. I like it a lot.

I'm not sure how it's close to NSFW though. There is nothing there that you can't see on network television. Plus, anybody who's offended by the image would also be offended playing wow.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:48 AM
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TheorySpot was after TankSpot, actually.

As for the night elf's eyes... that's how night elf eyes look, man. They don't have irises or pupils.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:50 AM
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Beautiful artwork, but ...

Agree with Mookey -> TANK spot
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:01 AM
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I love it
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:07 AM
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I'm pretty shocked at most of your reactions to be quite blunt with you.

I had a post written up but I'm going to remove it. This is going to tread very dangerous waters if I even get into this and I rather not go on a rant.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:10 AM
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Very nice artwork, well-drawn... and also inappropriate for work viewing.

If forced to choose between this new background and being able to view the site hassle-free at work, I'm sure many would prefer just to view the site.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:30 AM
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I'm glad we have time and energy to discuss this, because god forbid we all don't have more serious issues to solve. At least, I don't. Like working or similar no-fun stuff.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:39 AM
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:48 AM
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We've had a few discussions go on prior to releasing this, including a major one in the administrative forums on this website. As I indicated, we knew there'd be at least some controversy over this because we know it's a controversial image. In other words, we expect some people to disagree w/ us posting it. With that said, let me jump into some of the rationale as to why the decision was made.


Gender Disparity & Sexuality Issue
There are a few things that are important to cover here. First and foremost, this image may be offensive to some because the women appear as secondary characters to the men. Second, it may be offensive to some because the women are less clothed. To be clear, I respect both of these criticisms and consider them fair.

The perspective we've taken is:
  1. The artist respected our position that we would not allow sexually provocative poses or nudity of any sort in the image. While the females may be wearing less than they ought to, they were clearly not designed explicitly with prurient interest, and are each engaged in an action in step with the game world.
  2. Without dismissing what some may find offensive about the image, it is also worth noting that the male in this image is also the only character that is a tank. The other two represent DPS and Healing characters. For this reason, it is not entirely fair to infer that they have less armor simply because of gender.
While there's nothing that can be said to ease concerns of those who are concerned about this -- and while I would disagree with people who think you don't have a right to be concerned about this -- I will illustrate that this is well within the standards of what World of Warcraft already offers.

Blizzard Fan Art Program

In the Blizzard Fan Art program, the very first image (as of me posting this) is significantly more provocative than the background image here. This is true throughout much of their posted artwork.

Warrior's Embrace - Item - World of Warcraft

As seen above, there are many examples in the game where armor is modeled entirely differently for males and females. The above is the most commonly cited version, where a full chestpiece becomes a Xena breastplate.

http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/sc...rmal/72322.jpg

Though we've concealed the thigh shots from our own background, it's clear that artwork like this has been created in Warcraft and you've likely seen people running around in it yourselves.

This does not remove your right to be concerned about it, we did make the decision based on the knowledge that nearly everyone who visits this website is playing a game where they've voluntarily accepted worse.


Workplace Computers
We know a lot of our users visit the website from work or other public places. Much of our traffic is a result of people who can't access WoW and want to learn more about it in their down time. The flip side of this is new workplaces filter our site every week.

We would like to offer a different background for our visitors to choose from. Unfortunately, our forum templates are set up in such a way that styles cannot be readily switched for our visitors.

The reason we don't consider this as major is because we've placed a 20% safe margin around the page in which there is nothing identifiable other than two faces in the image. This means that running a browser at 1280x resolution will not show anything inappropriate for a workplace. While it's never enjoyable to turn around and say, 'user, you can solve this on your own,' this is a case where it's within reason to expect our users to be able to not have a fullscreen browser if they're concerned about coworkers. After all, if you're not comfortable being seen on a videogame website in the first place, aren't you better off concealing it a bit anyway?


Night Elf Removal
I am very likely to remove the Night Elf in the near future. This is because I absolutely cannot find good placement for her that does not also put her body directly in the background (where she's mostly not seen anyway). As in the linked wallpaper, the two elves were originally on either side of the orc, but for the website it makes the most sense to put the orc in a very dominant position since he also represents the tank.

Understand that this removes the Alliance entirely when an image with only two characters realistically should have a balance between the factions. I may switch it and remove the Blood Elf in favor of the Hunter if this feels too awkward.


Closing
This is a significant investment of time and money. The decision to make this was not based on our demographics; however, based on our demographics, the great majority of our visitors should appreciate the background artwork. For these reasons, please understand that we will continue to do what we can to strike a healthy balance between people who love the image and people who take issue with it. We've already made adjustments to positioning and are likely to make more. With that said, we have no plans to remove the artwork.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:53 AM
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Agreed with every point stated. S'all I got to say
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:56 AM
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and it's not like there isnt armor in game, for tanks no less, that is very similar.

Here is my Warrior in the gear she tanked with for about 7 levels.

http://www.zate.org/warwench.jpg
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:56 AM
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Quite an awesome piece of art. No complaints here.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:58 AM
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I have to really search to see the Nelf's body. The only thing I can really see is her head at the top of the pages. If the opacity were tweaked a little, it would conceal her body completely and still not leave a void in the background when you're at the top of the page.
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