[orcstar]

I stumbled onto an arcticle of a subject I read about some time ago and this renewed my interest in it and I want to start such a thing up.
This was the article: Guest Post: Gold Dragon Kill Points {GDKP} Raiding which had a link to a much larger one on Elitist Jerks: GDKP Run Discussion: Spread it to your Server - Elitist Jerks.

Basically it's a PuG where items do not go for roll or dkp but go for gold. If a boss dies and the items are distributed people bid for an item and the highest bidder pays the gold.
At the end of the run all the accumulated gold is distributed between the attendees.
For things to work you need to have a good mix of players where you have a healthy number of carriers but also a healthy number of buyers.

Any of you guys have experience with it? I'm thinking of starting this on my server.

[Squeegiemama]

Seems like a very interesting system.

[Erja]

yeah I had read this the other day and was intrigued. I'm hesitant to try it, however, since I can already hear the salivating trade monsters response to it and I don't have the name and/or guild recognition factor to silence them effectively.

[Xianth]

Sounds good in theory, heard about it not so long ago when somebody tried to do it on our server but havn't experienced it in action. It's also good for well geared people to get that "one last item" as they can just max their gold but get a lot of it back when the alts/new dingeds spend a lot in the rest of the instance.

[Theotherone]

PuG + gold = ninja.

But would be fun to do with some friends/guildies on an off raid night.

[Prancy]

For those concerned with ninjaing, this is almost never a problem because the people who run these are well known/have alot at stake (often members of top guilds on the server) and in the even of a ninjaing GMs will intervene and distribute gold to the appropriate players.

The trade chat monsters are a bit of a problem, there's a very ambitious individual whos starting to run some ulduar 25 gdkp runs and the first time he let trade chat know all hell broke loose. I have faith enough people will attend and understand that it will wind up being successful.

Personally, I LOVE this idea. Its often said that if you do something well then don't do it for free. I like to think I run instances well, so why not get paid for them?

[orcstar]

Concerning the ninja-ing, I'm a pretty well known person on my server and trying to get a few more on board to start it up who are even better known. So I doubt that will be a problem.

[gacktt]

Get 60k gold with good RNG from toc(weapon + trinkets) as RL, invest the money on good items like titansteel bars and flasks(20k gold limit for x-fers).

Server transfer to a better server with a better guild, yeah pretty much.

[markv]

The only thing that we do that is kind of like that is sell 10m Ulduar Drake runs for 27k a pop and the person can pretty much have any BoP loot that isn't wanted by people in the guild, which is basically everything.

I must say it's a great way to earn cash. Not quite what you do but it's effective for us, and there is a market for people paying gold to get items from raids that I think is largely untapped.

[Edgar]

Is the gold spread between people that actually bid just between the whole raid?

[orcstar]

Source: Edgar Is the gold spread between people that actually bid just between the whole raid?

The gold is spread between the whole raid at the end of the run.
The idea is some people need gear and have gold and other have gear but need gold. Put em together and you have a goldpug.

[Padinbann]

i really like this idea i have a rogue and a pally that i can possibly do this on and i am well known since i am a instance whore on my pally ( Done every instance 50+ times cause i was bored with random people from every type of guild imaginable) so i might try this this weekend. I will probly start off small in something like naxx or onxyia or something perhaps

[orcstar]

Source: Padinbann i really like this idea i have a rogue and a pally that i can possibly do this on and i am well known since i am a instance whore on my pally ( Done every instance 50+ times cause i was bored with random people from every type of guild imaginable) so i might try this this weekend. I will probly start off small in something like naxx or onxyia or something perhaps

Be sure to read the elitist jerks thread entirely though, there are lots of great tips there.

And I think that if you have a few geared friends, you can even start with ToC 25.
It's not too hard and there's always something there for everyone to bid on: trophies.

I don't think it's really suited for 10 mens though.

[Mr.Winkle]

TBH i only see this working for the top end raids. People aren't going to pay gold for crap that drops in OS or Naxx.

You need to be running ToGC 10 or perhaps TOC 25 or ToGC 25 and be able to do a half guild/half pug run.

I think the drake boosting alternative is better. 1 guild on my server selling 25man Algy boosts + iron drake for 45k.

[Dygrav]

Source: Mr.Winkle TBH i only see this working for the top end raids. People aren't going to pay gold for crap that drops in OS or Naxx.

You'd honestly be suprised. Things like Grim Toll or Illustration of the dragon soul still can pull 2kish. BiS naxx items can easily go for 200-400g also, which adds up with how much loot drops in Naxx 25.

[mojojojo101]

I have a fundamental problem with this. What about the people who do not carry 10k cash around with them all the time... all that happens is the ppl with lots of money get all the gear they want while the poor people dont get anything even if they have contributed the same amount/more to the raid.

[Vorps]

Source: mojojojo101 I have a fundamental problem with this. What about the people who do not carry 10k cash around with them all the time... all that happens is the ppl with lots of money get all the gear they want while the poor people dont get anything even if they have contributed the same amount/more to the raid.

You get gold just for participating, so next run or eventually you will have enough gold to afford what you're looking for. If another run never occurs, you'll at least be richer.

[orcstar]

Source: mojojojo101 I have a fundamental problem with this. What about the people who do not carry 10k cash around with them all the time... all that happens is the ppl with lots of money get all the gear they want while the poor people dont get anything even if they have contributed the same amount/more to the raid.

Let's take another example: you do a run and win 4 rolls in a row. And the other person loses 4 times to you.

Both you and the other have contributed the same yet the other person gets nothing and you get all. In a goldpug, if you buy all those 4 items, the other person will become at least a few k gold richer.

[Ariedan]

There's a guild-sponsored Gold DKP weekly run on my server, and it's been very well received. Most people enjoy it because it means they can successfully complete a ToC-25 group but also because it puts money in your pockets. It seems a pretty balanced system for organized pugs, to be honest. You pay tons of money for lower level BoE epics, why not pay gold for that elusive trinket/weapon you could never get but is still BiS for you? And if nothing drops, well, you're still rewarded for your time.

[derangedhermit]

Source: mojojojo101 I have a fundamental problem with this. What about the people who do not carry 10k cash around with them all the time... all that happens is the ppl with lots of money get all the gear they want while the poor people dont get anything even if they have contributed the same amount/more to the raid.

If you don't have gold, you shouldn't be on a gold pug to win/buy gear. If you're 'skilled enough' or know the pug leader (), you can get a spot as one of the carriers. You'll still make gold at the end. This is just like the Armored Bear runs in Zul'Aman.