Warrior 3.2 Warrior tanking.. O.M.G. - Page 4

Szentia · #61 07-04-2009, 11:27 AM

Source: Vizarde
Good to see the buff to warriors. Now can I has tank Emalon and they get adds?!

I prefer tanking the adds on live currently as a Warrior.

protonly · #62 07-04-2009, 11:32 AM

Finally got the PTR downloaded and was able to test the changes.

Holy shit.

This is the biggest change to Warrior tanking that I can remember. Bigger than shockwave and all the other talent changes from 3.0. I could go back to questing in prot (which I love, screw arms) and kill things fast. I did a 5 man and had rage for days...AE tanking heroics in uld gear was actually doable. I couldn't find a raid but I figure if I can tank heroics and see HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE improvements I can only assume raid tanking will be a lot better too.

Let's just hope the talent goes into live as-is and that they don't pussy foot around the issue any longer. This should have been in the game years ago.

Frae · #63 07-04-2009, 12:17 PM

I am sorry to sound like a party crasher, but I do not understand his QQ for tanking heroics because of gear. Am I the only one who holds onto lower level gear, at least my Tier for old school looks in town? Also ever try just tossing on a block set? Currently even a top block set wont block so much you won't take some damage and there for have more then enough rage.
And to add to this, is it really a huge concern how we tank in lower end content? I do heroics all the time, and I do it in my high end sets or my low end sets, and I have never had an issue either way. Even if agro is pulled it's a heroic lol, the mobs may kill a clothie, but even they can normaly take a hit. I wouldn't say that rage starve in a heroic is so horrible that we wipe every pull lol.
Maybe I am just a little bias because I raid in a high end guild, and my concerns are in that area of the game, and heroic issues aren't on my list of issues. Either way more dps and threat will be a nice change. Will it just contiue to boost pallys in the way and there for have them continue to be "better"? I don't know.
I will admit i am still a fan of bring the player not the tank. We have a DK tank, who is going to be removed soon, but yeah regardless of his class I get tells from both DPS and Healers that they cry when he MTs over me ( a warrior)

Just to add a curve ball... If our TPS is looked at as low.... why not raise the amount of threat our abilities cause? Raising our DPS is great, but the PVPers will QQ till it is nerfed and doing these changes that also affect pallys does not boost us over them.

Ilya M · #64 07-04-2009, 12:33 PM

Because no other class needs to downscale gear to do easier content. My bags are packed enough with my Frost Resist set, my DPS set, my flasks and other raid supplies, and of course choice tanking pieces to swap in. So no I shouldn't need to go back to my bank and pull out some ilvl 200 gear just so I won't be frustrated in a heroic run. This situation is more exacerbated and prominent due to the fact that we will be able to get badges of conquest from heroics and the like. It means there will be more demand for us from guildies to tank heroics and naxx10. so this is a nice quality of life fix, I would just prefer that they gave it to us in a place we were already spending points instead of making us chose yet again between adequate threat and survival.

Dragaan · #65 07-04-2009, 02:08 PM

Source: Frae
I am sorry to sound like a party crasher, but I do not understand his QQ for tanking heroics because of gear. Am I the only one who holds onto lower level gear, at least my Tier for old school looks in town? Also ever try just tossing on a block set? Currently even a top block set wont block so much you won't take some damage and there for have more then enough rage.
And to add to this, is it really a huge concern how we tank in lower end content? I do heroics all the time, and I do it in my high end sets or my low end sets, and I have never had an issue either way. Even if agro is pulled it's a heroic lol, the mobs may kill a clothie, but even they can normaly take a hit. I wouldn't say that rage starve in a heroic is so horrible that we wipe every pull lol.
Maybe I am just a little bias because I raid in a high end guild, and my concerns are in that area of the game, and heroic issues aren't on my list of issues. Either way more dps and threat will be a nice change. Will it just contiue to boost pallys in the way and there for have them continue to be "better"? I don't know.
I will admit i am still a fan of bring the player not the tank. We have a DK tank, who is going to be removed soon, but yeah regardless of his class I get tells from both DPS and Healers that they cry when he MTs over me ( a warrior)

Just to add a curve ball... If our TPS is looked at as low.... why not raise the amount of threat our abilities cause? Raising our DPS is great, but the PVPers will QQ till it is nerfed and doing these changes that also affect pallys does not boost us over them.

I do this, and I'm sure tons of other tanks do as well. But I understand not all tanks have a large selection of gear to choose from, so I can see ppl being very happy about this change. Honestly tho, I don't have ANY problems with rage in heroics. Even in "real" tank gear, I can do 2.5k in certain instances while tanking and no one is anywhere remotely close to pulling threat (even doing 5k steady dps)

I stated above that I am using a build on the ptr where I lose the 2 points in cruelty for the 2 extra in shield spec. I forgot to mention that this is not even my main build, and I may not even be able to use this on live. The 2 points in cruelty are rarely ever in my current build, as I go for 2/2 imp. disciplines (even in my deep wounds spec) for a 2min shield wall. I'm still unsure how the hell I will fit these extra shield spec talents into my main build.

Dragaan · #66 07-04-2009, 02:16 PM

....Maybe they could add the rage-on-avoidance as part of Focused Rage? Or maybe even Anger Management in the arms tree.... I'd probably drop a point in deep wounds for that one..

**Warwench** · #67 07-04-2009, 02:38 PM

or just bake it into defensive stance where it should be.

Ilya M · #68 07-04-2009, 02:50 PM

Source: Warwench
or just bake it into defensive stance where it should be.

^^^^^^^^^^ THIS hell put it on imp D stance or anyplace else i normally spend points. this change would be fine if they had somehow fixed block beforehand but they haven't and so its difficult to find cause to place 3 more points in a talent that buffs our most worthless mitigation stat.

Dragaan · #69 07-04-2009, 03:18 PM

The reason I didn't say Imp Defensive stance is because that would make the talent TOO good in blizzard's eyes. I think blizz strays away from making certain talents absolutely required (esp when they aren't at the bottom of the tree). But hell, if they wanna do that it would be awesome.

I don't expect blizzard to make things THAT easy for us.

Footloop · #70 07-04-2009, 04:29 PM

Source: Dragaan
The reason I didn't say Imp Defensive stance is because that would make the talent TOO good. I think blizz strays away from making certain talents absolutely required (esp when they aren't at the bottom of the tree). But hell, if they wanna do that it would be awesome.

I don't expect blizzard to make things THAT easy for us.

Pretty sure that line of reasoning exists because they wanted an easy excuse for the TG nerf. Other talents in other trees are quite clearly giant DPS/HPS/whateverPS increases with a multitude of different abilities tacked on (shadowform and moonkin form are the two most obvious examples), and you'd be hard pressed to argue that imp. defensive stance isn't *already* mandatory.

jettzypher · #71 07-04-2009, 05:15 PM

Can you link your spec?

here

Dragaan · #72 07-04-2009, 05:29 PM

You are losing out on a LOT of dps/tps potential by not specing into armored to the teeth. 9/10 tanks fill that up.

jettzypher · #73 07-04-2009, 05:48 PM

it was actually an accident. i noticed the other day that i have two points in safeguard instead of AttT. but i rarely tank anymore so i dont really care.

sicness · #74 07-04-2009, 10:03 PM

Source: Footloop
Pretty sure that line of reasoning exists because they wanted an easy excuse for the TG nerf. Other talents in other trees are quite clearly giant DPS/HPS/whateverPS increases with a multitude of different abilities tacked on (shadowform and moonkin form are the two most obvious examples), and you'd be hard pressed to argue that imp. defensive stance isn't *already* mandatory.

I'd argue that it is needed for sure, any tank who has any clue will pick up improve d stance without question. They do need to move the rage gain on avoidance into defensive stance permanently and untalented. Or hell, just make it a passive skill like tactical mastery, or possibly even add it into vigliance.

**Arvandor** · #75 07-05-2009, 06:21 PM

or possibly even add it into vigliance.

But... dailies...

**Ocin** · #76 07-05-2009, 06:24 PM

Source: Ilya M
Because no other class needs to downscale gear to do easier content. My bags are packed enough with my Frost Resist set, my DPS set, my flasks and other raid supplies, and of course choice tanking pieces to swap in. So no I shouldn't need to go back to my bank and pull out some ilvl 200 gear just so I won't be frustrated in a heroic run. This situation is more exacerbated and prominent due to the fact that we will be able to get badges of conquest from heroics and the like. It means there will be more demand for us from guildies to tank heroics and naxx10. so this is a nice quality of life fix, I would just prefer that they gave it to us in a place we were already spending points instead of making us chose yet again between adequate threat and survival.

Really? I keep a trash/heroic set on me at all times. I wouldn't think of running heroics in my MT set.

**Dhalphir** · #77 07-05-2009, 06:29 PM

this change is definitely amazing. I am rage-starved constantly in Ulduar fights. Tanking Auraiya I was starved for 90% of the fight...I dropped to 2k TPS at one stage, for about 30 seconds.

Ilya M · #78 07-05-2009, 07:46 PM

Did you not read? i have it in my bank.

I need to carry my RAID stuff with me all the time since that's what I do. I log on I raid and sometimes when I'm in a good mood or my buddies ask nicely I'll Run a heroic. to tank trash i swap a piece or 2 i don't need an entire set for Ud25 trash. But since you know; I'm not the MT I need to have my DPS gear with me as well. That means DPS consumables and tank consumables. i think i have maybe 10 free bag spots including my full bank that has all tabs and 20 slotters. So no i'm not going to carry the extra set of ilvl 200 gear with me at all times. I also notice your a Paladin, its a bit more complicated to do these things as a warrior...

aramirloth · #79 07-05-2009, 09:35 PM

Well as already stated this fixes one of the minor issues(basicly a non-issue as doing stuff we're overgeared for is so easy anyway, and doing trash packs at our gear level gives good rage anyway) but not the big ones such as our survivability and tps compared to the other tanking classes and don't spout any BS at me here, an equaly skilled tank of any of the other classes will do more threat&dps and have better survivability doing it.

Granim · #80 07-05-2009, 10:10 PM

try tanking fights like general 25m

i find either my rage is full or empty... with his slower swing timer getting a string of avoidance can be very noticeable.

the 20% melee swing debuff only further reduces the rage you gain.

coupled with having to change to a gimped spec with gimp glyphs and the castors getting a big dps buff it can be interesting at the pull.

(though you learn to compensate)