[jarlaxel]

ok, something very strange has been happening to me the last few week. Thought I'd get some of you guys opinions since blizzard doesn't seem to have one on this case. Recenty, on two separate kara runs and one ZA run, I've been dieing a very strange death. For example, last night again fighting prince ( I'm main tank of course) we get him down to about 40% or so and BAM! I die. And I mean I went from nearly full heath to being dead. This happened twice on consecutive trys. Each time I'm checking the combat log and it goes something like this--take 2.5k dam (435 blocked) / heal for 2k/ lifebloom yada yada / 2.5k dam ( 435 blocked)/ parry/ dodge/ heal 4k/ parry/ heal 3.5k/ 2.5k dam (435 blocked) BAM! ARMOR TAKES 10% DURABILITY DAM
what in the world is going on here??
Again this twice on the same kara run against prince, once against prince a few weeks before and a few times in ZA about a week ago.
I'm completely clueless and so is blizzard. Am I bugged or something?
If anyone has any thoughts , it would be appreciated.

[Tatt]

I have had a few similar deaths as a fury warrior, once on VR and once on Gruul....going along fine, full on health, 1/2 second lag spike than somehow I am dead, somehow even though I am dps'ing from behind I am getting hit by some kind of frontal cleave and getting 1 shot.

[ebs2002]

If this is happening around 40% on prince, there's a possible explanation:

I'm sure you know that Prince can enfeeble people, which lowers their HP to 1. He targets 5 people with this ability. Normally he doesn't target the tank, but there are two cases in which he might:

1) It's not that he doesn't target the tank, it's that he doesn't target the person who has accrued the most threat. There's a threat buffer of 10% for melee and 30% for ranged DPS. If the rogue passed you in threat, he may not pull aggro, but that means that you can be enfeebled. If the tank gets enfeebled, he's one-shot. The solution is to make sure all your DPS are watching the threat-meters closely and DO NOT PASS YOU

2) During the transition from Phase2 to Phase3, Prince throws his axes out. At this moment, it's rumored that he ignores his threat completely and can enfeeble the tank. The solution is to make sure he's already recently enfeebled the rest of the raid when you force this transition. It's best to do this right after enfeeble wears off, because you don't want him to throw his axes while an enfeeble is still going.

I have no idea what could have happened in ZA, though. What did the logs say here? If it was on the bear or the lynx, it's possible that your offtank wasn't in rage of the cleave and you took full damage from them, but without more data it's hard to say.

[jarlaxel]

both of the replies give a good possibily of what may be going on and I thank you for them.
As for Tats reply, I do know that if I were to say hit the X button to sit down I can get crit hit , just like you sit down when logging out, but I'm not sure if a lag spike constitutes a (log out and sit down) . I'm going to continue my research on this one.
As for Ebs, what you say about the prince fight is so very true, but what throws me for a loop is the ZA senario, yes it was going into the bear fight but that fight went fine. What didnt go fine is the pull at the bear fight. It was my first time there so forgive me if I'm mixing up some of the details, but I'm talking about the mob with the two guys on mounts along with some other trash. The other tank and I split the mobs to each side of the platform and began our tanking duties. It was during this fight that I had the same thing happen that has been happening in the prince fight the last few times. Full health, then Bam! dead. And each time combat log showed the same thing, which was nothing to indicate me getting hit enough to die. And just like the prince fights, it happened not once but twice in a row.
Since you guys are tanks you probually can feel my frustraition when an entire raid is wanting to know why we wiped the way we did. These kinds of things don't get you invited to future raids if you know what I'm saying.

Anyway, if anyone else has any idea's I'd love to listen to them.

[Krashtork]

Enfeeble should show up on the combat log.

Here's my example:




My thoughts on this are:

A) A GM is pissed at me
B) There's some sort of unknown bug.

I recall when it happened and I was well over the 30% buffer for threat and i don't recall ever turning purple and glowy. So I'm guessing a bug of death is going around.

[Horacio]

You must have crit him in his junk and he became enraged and squashed you. blizz thought it would be funny, first off, to be tanking him with your face in his crotch and then expanded on the implications of such a situation.

I've never seen this myself but I haven't tanked Prince but once in the past few months, preferring to run my mage through Kara instead. That's seriously messed up though.

Enfeeble is the most logical explanation but if you say you had plenty of threat, that's impossible. Still, it may be an error in how things are reported to the combat log. There are all kinds of quirks associated with it. /shrug

[kolben]

Being crit in the junk tends to make them go full on berserk

Get recount (pictured in Krashtork's post) and use the deaths view to find out.
You were probably lower than 40% and took a top-end crush, or some possibly what others have said. In ZA on a boss like Bear or Lynx it's usually because you took all of the cleave/Saber Lash. It's been a while since I did ZA, but I recall eating a Saber Lash
for ~17k once in my high avoidance gear when the pally tank had a lag spike going in. ... it happens

We have a druid that lives in the Netherlands and doesn't get to raid with us often.
I sorely miss her when she's not there, you can not die with the way that girl heals.

[Alent]

Frequently, combat logs are misordered. Take for example, the way the killing blow always shows up in your combat log:

So and so has killed mob
So and so hits mob for X damage.

I believe the same thing is happening with prince. He's slamming for some obscene amount of damage with his "flurry" attack (read: windfury) and the damage is spewing out AFTER you die.

So it looks something like

Krashtork has been killed by prince
Prince hits krashtork for ^8,590^ damage.
Prince hits Krashtork for ^8,900^ damage.

It's simple as that, really. >_>;

[ebs2002]

I don't think that enfeeble does show up in the combat log, actually. I know that I never saw it, but that was before 2.4 and it may have changed. Your post actually insinuates that he was enfeebled...the heal hit for 0, so he was at max HP. Either he was at 19k hp and died, or he was enfeebled and at 1hp (still max), and then died.

As for the pull right before Nalorekk, I'm stumped, but I don't think there's enough information posted to say it was a bug. We'd have to see the combat log to know for sure

[Krashtork]

If you look at the combat log it shows that i have 100% of 19184hp when getting healed for 0 (because i'm full) and then I die.

I honestly do not think it was enfeeble, and when i dug through the combat log i didn't see any lag hits after i died such as what Alent said. That's what i had thought at first but it certainly wasn't the case.

We were in Phase 3 with prince at around 18% when this occured, so the suggested

"Krashtork has been killed by prince
Prince hits krashtork for ^8,590^ damage.
Prince hits Krashtork for ^8,900^ damage."

Is unlikely due to the much slower rate of incoming damage which greatly lessens the chance that shield block would be down and i'd take crushes. Not to mention even if prince were to crush, 8k hits are highly unlikely.

[kolben]

To the OP

I'd like to know some things like what your typical latency is, what unit frames (if any) you use, what combat log mods you use (if any).

On the Amani Warbringers, that crunch armor debuff is fairly hardcore. Healers that are reacting to damage instead of proactive healing can help cause these kinds of deaths because the damage comes in bursts.
I'd really say you should also take a close look at what debuffs are on the mob, for example does it have Thunderclap and Demoralizing Shout/Roar on him at all times?