[Kazeyonoma]

Word from MMO-Champion says orc and human racials changed to Expertise, i'll confirm in a bit on the PTR but here's images:

[Shaiden]

A much needed change. Much better than 1% crit.

Now about those NE changes <_<

[Kazeyonoma]

tell me about it, finally some expertise for us humans and rogues (its 5 expertise in axes, maces, swords respectively for the races)

[Joanadark]

Note, this is STILL a nerf.

Granted, THANK GOD, but this is still a pretty huge reduction in effectiveness.

Old Version
Tanks: 3% hit
DPS: 3% hit

New Version
Tanks: 2.5% avoid reduction
DPS: 1.25% avoid reduction

That is, assuming this is 5 SKILL, and not, as I fully believe Blizzard to be capable of doing, 5 Rating.

[Satrina]

I'm on the PTR right now working on addons. I can confirm human racials are 5 expertise skill. I have 11 expertise with Defiance while wielding Blazefury.

[Kazeyonoma]

true joana but better than 1% crit lol.

[Float]

PRAISE JESUS.

Also, this really isn't a nerf.

Negatives of racial expertise vs racial skill:

1) Slightly lower effective hit% against raid bosses.

Positives of racial expertise vs racial skill:

1) Greatly increased effective hit% against everything not a raid boss.
2) Reduces the chance of parry, VASTLY more important than reducing the chance of a miss.
3) Allows future itemization to include more +hit. Currently Orc/Human tanks can reach the hit cap very easily, this change allows us greater flexibility in the future for a negligible cost now.

[Narshe]

For DPSers is a buff Joana. Remember that old +skill wasn't 3% hit. It was enough reduction in parry, block and dodge reduction to match 3%. DPSers attack from behind so they wasn't getting benefit in parry and block reductions, just dodge.

[Norrath]

Source: Narshe For DPSers is a buff Joana. Remember that old +skill wasn't 3% hit. It was enough reduction in parry, block and dodge reduction to match 3%. DPSers attack from behind so they wasn't getting benefit in parry and block reductions, just dodge.

No, it was definitely +hit.

[Aftathott]

Note, this is STILL a nerf. Granted, THANK GOD, but this is still a pretty huge reduction in effectiveness. Old Version Tanks: 3% hit DPS: 3% hit New Version Tanks: 2.5% avoid reduction DPS: 1.25% avoid reduction That is, assuming this is 5 SKILL, and not, as I fully believe Blizzard to be capable of doing, 5 Rating.

From what ive heard/seen it is skill rather then rating, guildy told me that the sword and mace were stacking?!? so he was getting 10 expertise using a sword MH and mace OH...

And yah what about those NE changes?!? Least my corpses runs are a little faster...wait that dosnt really seen that cool...

[Kazeyonoma]

Source: Aftathott From what ive heard/seen it is skill rather then rating, guildy told me that the sword and mace were stacking?!? so he was getting 10 expertise using a sword MH and mace OH...

That sounds nearly ridiculous, did it use to do this with weapon skill on live?

I'm pretty sure for orcs, if you dual weld axes it didn't give you 6% hit. and probably won't give 10 expertise either. I will test once I get home from work.

[Norrath]

The idea is that the mace/sword bonuses stack, not two of the same.

I'll have to check; I honestly don't know.

[Argeoff87]

Who wants to take bets that double expertise is a bug and bliz will fix it?

[Arrivan]

I'm torn between hoping it is a bug and hoping it isn't. I'm hoping it is because I got the S2 mace OH with [item]Drakefist Hammer[/item] MH instead of the sword OH (despite the fact I'll be needing a new OH anyway), and hoping it isn't for obvious reasons. We'll see what kind of weapons ZA coughs up I guess.

[Aromit]

Not sure what to make of this, hopefully it fixes my seemingly never-ending Miss, Miss, Miss, Parry, Dodge, fight-openers go away!

[Syana]

WTB Race Change.