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Old 07-25-2009, 10:07 PM
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Vigilance threat

I was wondering, does vigilance transfer 10% total threat from a player to the warrior no matter what that player is attacking, or does the player have to be attacking the same target as the warrior?

For example if i put vigilance on the OT and he is attacking another mob or boss, do i gain/take the 10% threat he is generating?
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:23 AM
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Due to my warrior tank being my alt, I don't get a whole bunch of shots to upgrade my tanking sword. I still use Red Sword of Courage. My question is, would it be worthwile to use a good, fast dps weapon when tanking heroics to help with threat? I would still be above 435 def, while hitting harder and having more offensive stats. I wouldn't do it with raid trash, but anything that can speed up a heroic is welcomed.

At this point, I have Hailstorm, from 10 man EoE and it has 1.5 speed.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:49 AM
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I was wondering, does vigilance transfer 10% total threat from a player to the warrior no matter what that player is attacking, or does the player have to be attacking the same target as the warrior?

For example if i put vigilance on the OT and he is attacking another mob or boss, do i gain/take the 10% threat he is generating?
vigilance transfers 10% (15 if glpyhed) of the threat from the players target. that is to say you get 10% threat on mob a (being dps is targeting a) wether or not you are targeting the same mob. 10% threat from mob a does not add 10% to your threat on mob b. unless its an aoe attack, then you get 10% threat on each mob that is affected by the dps aoe attack.
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Old 07-29-2009, 05:46 PM
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Due to my warrior tank being my alt, I don't get a whole bunch of shots to upgrade my tanking sword. I still use Red Sword of Courage. My question is, would it be worthwile to use a good, fast dps weapon when tanking heroics to help with threat? I would still be above 435 def, while hitting harder and having more offensive stats. I wouldn't do it with raid trash, but anything that can speed up a heroic is welcomed.

At this point, I have Hailstorm, from 10 man EoE and it has 1.5 speed.
If you're using a 'tanking sword' to tank with for the exta defensive stats, then yes, you should use it. If your gear is sufficient that you can tank without it, then yes, using a more attack oriented weapon is fine for clearing trash and such. Even for tanking bosses, as long as you're uncrittable.

Remember, we all used to tank a certain dragon with a Julie's Dagger.
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:43 AM
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:39 AM
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In avoidance sets are you gemming them with +16 dodge and defense or are you using 12 stamina and 8 dodge/defense?
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:38 AM
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In avoidance sets are you gemming them with +16 dodge and defense or are you using 12 stamina and 8 dodge/defense?
The gems you choose should always depend on your total stats without them and wether or not you want to make use of socket boni. In other words - it depends on the rest of your gear and what you are short of.
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:27 PM
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Old 07-31-2009, 01:51 PM
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I have looked everywhere, what are the stats of the new epic gems? and how much will the jewel crafting gems gain in terms of stats?

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Old 08-03-2009, 01:51 AM
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30 stam, 20 all other stats, 23 spellpower. half of those on mixed color. 51 stam on JC cuts
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:27 AM
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Being a healer I got a question for the tanks about XT-002.

During the summer slack we did 10 man hardmodes, and it was pretty easy. Now we can usually get 25 ppl in raid so we got back to heroic raiding. But I want to practise for hardmodes on 25 man 2.
On hardmodes XT is tanked between 2 piles of scrap. Does it work the same on easy mode? So will there spawn less bots?
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:40 AM
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Being a healer I got a question for the tanks about XT-002.

During the summer slack we did 10 man hardmodes, and it was pretty easy. Now we can usually get 25 ppl in raid so we got back to heroic raiding. But I want to practise for hardmodes on 25 man 2.
On hardmodes XT is tanked between 2 piles of scrap. Does it work the same on easy mode? So will there spawn less bots?
Tanking him to the side does not reduce the amount of adds, but makes them all come from one side and has them travel further. This allows you to have your add-countermeasures deployed in one direction and you have more defensive depth. This applies to all variants of the encounter.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:19 PM
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I have looked everywhere, what are the stats of the new epic gems? and how much will the jewel crafting gems gain in terms of stats?

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According to game files, here are the names of the Epic gems:

These?
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Old 08-06-2009, 04:51 AM
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24 sta -> 30 sta
16 str -> 20 str
8 dodge + 12 sta -> 10 dodge + 15 sta

Replace attributes as applicable.
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:00 AM
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Tanking him to the side does not reduce the amount of adds, but makes them all come from one side and has them travel further. This allows you to have your add-countermeasures deployed in one direction and you have more defensive depth. This applies to all variants of the encounter.
This may have been changed now. We attempted XT last night tanking in between the scrap piles and got a mild shock when all the scrap bots and bomb bots spawned literally on the tank. Needless to say we didnt get the heartbreaker but we did get the Nerf Scrapbots achievement...

We also tried Orbituary on FL but failed here also..so maybe the hard modes have had some minor tweaking..
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:05 AM
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I am regularly seeing my Thunderclap drop while still having time remaining on the debuff.

Is there another class that provides something similar that is overriding it? I would assume that mine is overriding theirs as well since I can put it right back on.
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:42 AM
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I am regularly seeing my Thunderclap drop while still having time remaining on the debuff.

Is there another class that provides something similar that is overriding it? I would assume that mine is overriding theirs as well since I can put it right back on.
All tanks have their own attack speed slowing debuff that when talented are all equal to each other. This is why it is overwriting itself.

To the top end raiding prot warriors out there, I have a question. I have taken a small break from the raiding game and I wonder that with the recent buffs to devastate, is using concussion blow in a normal rotation on cooldown still more threat than devastate?
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:52 PM
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All tanks have their own attack speed slowing debuff that when talented are all equal to each other. This is why it is overwriting itself.

To the top end raiding prot warriors out there, I have a question. I have taken a small break from the raiding game and I wonder that with the recent buffs to devastate, is using concussion blow in a normal rotation on cooldown still more threat than devastate?
Devastate is still lowest priority, as far as I can tell. The what the buff did though is make it not quite so necessary to use all your CDs all the time. I stopped using Shockwave in my single target rotation now in favor of Devastate so I have a multi mob attack on hand when I actually need one.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:41 PM
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hi i have the emblems of heroic relic atm on my pali but can get the conquer and triumph one also but not sure if they are realy better for tanking am mt in guild we did naxx10 in 3 to 4 hours the other day doing 7 bosses in uldar and did the first fight in toc 10man so its going pritty good just wandering if i should chance my relic thx
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:01 AM
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In the Quick 'N' Dirty Arms Guide posted over in DPS, they list the spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft I'm wondering why the 2 points in Deflection?

Note this is coming from someone who has no freaking clue how to DPS so explain it slowly, or at least use small words

Nevermind, my math was off, I was thinking you had enough to get down to Anger Management, which I thought would make MUCH better filler than Parry

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