[Ghreystar]

vigil has a 30 yard range, but is that the cast range - or the effective range?

more specifically, can i put vigil on someone in the pit on thorim, and then run the tunnel myself and still receive the free taunt c/d?

[Lizana]

30 yard range - from my testing on S3d

[Aeax]

What's a lightweight, simple addon I can use as a DK to show my rune cooldowns, now that I'm using Pitbull rather than the basic UI unitframes?

[Vforvictory]

so, ive taken the tanking route since i could first put in talents so i got a good feel of the mechanics of pally tanking. ive heard lots of hub-ub about how paladins lack the skill of single target tanking that warriors have. ive gotten into northrend dungeons and i feel im doing an excellent job of not wiping, BUT... you see, when i get to bosses, lets say, ingvar or someone along that lines, i seem to always lose tons of threat to mages and shamans. i follow the 9696 paladin tanking technique, but even so, im still losing threat to those guys. even throwing consecration down, im havin issues with these guys, so uh, any advice, im open to anything. before you say anything, take into account this mage and shammy usually pull about 1.4k dps on average at these bosses at lvl 74, so it could just be their huge amount of burst damage, but w/e, just tossing this out there.

[Sitri]

What is the best rotation to generate aggro for an unholy DK?

[Glittersmith]

Source: Sitri What is the best rotation to generate aggro for an unholy DK?

Death Knight AOE Spec, MT Spec and Rotations

[taobok]

Hi my tanks name is skulldozer on the darkspear realm.my def is 536 and def rating is 678 my parry is 16.97% my dodge is at 17.69%..and yet i still get put down pretty hard in like heroic hol and hos.I'm kinda backing off even trying heroic up..

i guess my question is why an i so fragile dodge and parry are avoidence right?are they still too low?can someone check my armory or wowheroes and maybe see something i dont..

oh yeah im not even sure if this is the right forum to post this in

[Glittersmith]

Which class are you playing? Dk?

[taobok]

warrior

[Gorca]

Hi folks,
I usually do relatively well at dpsing XT as an arms warrior. Last night was frustrating as I seemed to be completely unable to use my auto-attacks on the heart leaving me rage starved. The couple of yellow attacks I was able to use landed and damaged as normal. The closest thing to an answer I have been able to find is that I may have been standing too close. Do you think this is the issue? Apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere.
Thanks,
Gorca

[Molohk]

Source: Gorca Hi folks, I usually do relatively well at dpsing XT as an arms warrior. Last night was frustrating as I seemed to be completely unable to use my auto-attacks on the heart leaving me rage starved. The couple of yellow attacks I was able to use landed and damaged as normal. The closest thing to an answer I have been able to find is that I may have been standing too close. Do you think this is the issue? Apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere. Thanks, Gorca

As a tank, I've stood right on top of it without any problems, and I can't really think of anything other than being in a strange position. If you have range problems, just stand on top of the tank or some other melee that's not having trouble during the heart phase (not sure if the heart can parry, but I'm guessing he can't), and remember to spread out when it's over :P

[Hayate]

Source: Gorca Hi folks, I usually do relatively well at dpsing XT as an arms warrior. Last night was frustrating as I seemed to be completely unable to use my auto-attacks on the heart leaving me rage starved. The couple of yellow attacks I was able to use landed and damaged as normal. The closest thing to an answer I have been able to find is that I may have been standing too close. Do you think this is the issue? Apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere. Thanks, Gorca

Yeah, the heart sometimes is glitchy, just like the Scion Lord in Malygo P2, sometimes you just have to move around a little, since the heart is hanging down, the system might think it is still in the air.

[Ralden]

I noticed that some tank gear in Ulduar have armor pen rating on them. Is that something all tank classes should stack to help build threat? If so, what should the cap be?

[Hayate]

Source: Ralden I noticed that some tank gear in Ulduar have armor pen rating on them. Is that something all tank classes should stack to help build threat? If so, what should the cap be?

ArP is experiemental, it is better off to stack some expertise if you want threat, I do not find extra ArP helpful.

[Tarigar]

Source: Ghreystar vigil has a 30 yard range, but is that the cast range - or the effective range? more specifically, can i put vigil on someone in the pit on thorim, and then run the tunnel myself and still receive the free taunt c/d?

Ghrey I had a DK in the pit that was an aggro whore and was having to hold back. He was still benefitting from the reduced threat.

Since vigilance reduces threat and transfers it to you. If you are in the guantlet and the dps in the pit it will just reduce their threat with no threat gain to you. It will also give them the 3% dmg reduction.

[Stephanius]

Source: Vforvictory so, ive taken the tanking route since i could first put in talents so i got a good feel of the mechanics of pally tanking. ive heard lots of hub-ub about how paladins lack the skill of single target tanking that warriors have. ive gotten into northrend dungeons and i feel im doing an excellent job of not wiping, BUT... you see, when i get to bosses, lets say, ingvar or someone along that lines, i seem to always lose tons of threat to mages and shamans. i follow the 9696 paladin tanking technique, but even so, im still losing threat to those guys. even throwing consecration down, im havin issues with these guys, so uh, any advice, im open to anything. before you say anything, take into account this mage and shammy usually pull about 1.4k dps on average at these bosses at lvl 74, so it could just be their huge amount of burst damage, but w/e, just tossing this out there.

Emphasis mine.

You learn Shield of the Righteous at level 75 which is the best single-target threat move tankadin's have in Wrath.
You are also likely to upgrade your weapon and shield for a massive upgrade on your own TPS output. =]

If you are still mid-70, do this quest to get a nice tanking mace for your level.

[Daggus]

I apologise. I have read many guides and reports on def capping but just need to clear this up.

I simple words.
When aiming for 540 defense cap, is this the number i see next to defense on my character sheet ? i.e. it says 490 now - does this need to say 540 to be capped ?

TYVM.

I get the part about defense rating on gear is only a percentage added on to your skill (400 at 80) but no-where could i find a conclusive statement that said - The number on your char sheet is the 540 you are aiming for.

Daggus.

[Stephanius]

Source: Daggus I apologise. I have read many guides and reports on def capping but just need to clear this up. I simple words. When aiming for 540 defense cap, is this the number i see next to defense on my character sheet ? i.e. it says 490 now - does this need to say 540 to be capped ?

Yes. Character Sheet - Defense => 540
This is not hard cap. Having more defense still helps, just not as much as it does below 540. You should have more than 540 in pre-raid gear because many pices of epic tank gear has less defense rating that blue gear and might cause you to dip below 540 otherwise.

Source: Daggus I get the part about defense rating on gear is only a percentage added on to your skill (400 at 80) but no-where could i find a conclusive statement that said - The number on your char sheet is the 540 you are aiming for. Daggus.

Your base is 400 defense skill. Like sword skill.
At level 80, it takes 4.92 defense rating to get 1 point defense skill.
At level 80, it takes 688 defense rating to get 140 points of defense skill.
You need 540 defense so that raid bosses can not crit you.

See: Defensive Stance: Warrior Information Compilation

[Daggus]

Thanks for the swift response to my previous post.

A further question.
I am prot specced and working towards tank gear when i hit 80.
I recently ran an instance where an 80 DK was main tank and i was asked to dps. I don't have dual spec and the only abilities i have are really what i use to tank with.

As a result i was either out threating the DK tank or not using any abilities and doing 100 dps in a lvl 76 instance :-/ We finished the instance fine but i felt a complete tool.

I can't afford to dual spec right now so should i decline these runs in future ? I don't really want to pass up the gold, exp, rep rewards that you get but also don't want to get known as the tank that sucks at dps.

Or is there some way to get good dps without high TPS in tank gear, using a prot build ?

[Stephanius]

While the preferred method is of course to dual-spec and have a full dps kit ready, you can dps in protection spec and gear, but not very effectively. Unlike a pally, you can't use your protection damage abilities without having the threat-multiplicator up at the same time.

In this situation I'd recommend that you tank while the DK does dps. The DK can dps in prot gear, dps in dps gear and switch between blood and frost aura for damage and threat respectively. That makes him much more versatile and able to swap on the fly if there is an oopsie. =]