[Maèl]

I love the thought process and the idea of Lightwell. And I would pick it up over Desperate Prayer any time since it definitely is the better CD, but...

I have a couple of issues with Lightwell:

1)you lose target(which is dumb)
2)it is not frenzy resistant(doesn't apply a debuff to prevent multiclicks)
3)it is a hot
4)a stationary object in a mobile world

1)Should be easy to solve. Increase usage range, display a gear. Job done. Splendid.
2)Well, it has been some time since I used my last LW but it could be very quickly emptied by 3 dps being scared enough to use it. Apply a 2 second debuf where you can't get another effect. Splendid. Job done.
3)HOTs are tricky little so and sos. In normal situations a raid member scared enough to go for a lightwell attracts the attention of a healer. That's who we are, that's what we do. In normal circumstances it would only contribute to overheal. An instant heal, a shield, a prayer of mending effect would have been better. So why oh why a HOT?
4)Most bosses get moved around quite a bit. So where to place it? Even if you place it where you expect DPS to be you'd still have to place it a bit away in order to not have them obscure it. It would have been great on Baron Geddon with designated explosion areas. It still is great to place at spots where players have to run to due to debuffs of that kind. But these situations are not that common.
Due to the placement issue I would simply increase the range from where it can be used. 40 yards would sound reasonable.

Well, if I were a designer for spells then there would be a couple ideas I would explore:
-make the thing tank centric. Place it next to the tank and give him another Oh $h*t! button. Instant heal, timed damage reduction/shield, prayer of mending mechanic, whatever
-make it a team effort. One DPS triggers it and it benefits everybody in reach.
-keep it as it is but get rid of the above problems

What really gets MY hackles up is that it seems to have become a unit so it is killable in PVP. Well? Make it unusable in Arena. There. Job done. Splendid.

What Blizz has done is come up with a wonderful idea but yet it took them years to get the Lightwell to its current state. In all those years it has fallen short of greatness by a gnats wing. News that it is now somewhat usable is slow to spread. But even in its given state it is so totally not a worthy 31 point holy talent. And the 31 point holy talents have a history of suckage. Remember when Holy Nova was on a 30s CD and the 31 points talent? Well, Lightwell is better than that. Yay! Job done. Splendid.

If I made you decide if you'd rather have Inner Focus or Lightwell, well, which one would it be? Thought so. This spell is still seriously under construction.

[Satorri]

It actually is semi-frenzy proof from a single person. It has a global CD on charges used when I click it (meaning I can't apply it more frequently, even though I don't see the wheel).

[Healybob]

Being that My guild suffers from what GC was talking about, mainly tunnel vision, I still take lolwell. I think my cohort holy pally would revolt if i didn't. It is also nice to toss near the locks in a 25 man. When we 2 heal I place it next to him and he uses it. For one talent point it is a nice piece of flexibility and I like having a no mana cost hot (if you cast it before the fight starts) my self and the other healers can use, and the ranged that is aware enough to hit it.
Honestly, if blizz wanted to "fix it" they could make it work like the npc lolwells in toc 5 man, just have it toss out a heal to the nearest low heath target every X seconds, or people can be not retarded and click it.

[Bashal]

Disclaimer: Thread is long, may have missed a post saying the same thing, so my apologies if I say something that was already said a couple times.

I don't like lightwell, for one of the reasons already outlined: its a pita to click on sometimes due to player/mob hit box overlap.

I can think of a number of possible ways it can be used, as-is, that would be very useful.

Unfortunately, a very good point was made: no healer, even the priest that cast lightwell, is going to assume that (a) the lightwell will be used by a player at low health, or; (b) that the lightwell's HoT will be sufficient. The player will get additional attention from the healers, and will make whether it was used or not moot. It is very easy to top off a DPSer compared to a tank, and healers can do it quickly.

My guild emphasizes avoiding damage to minimize heals on them. This seems to work very, very well. And since it works so well, it makes some of the lightwell's utility unnecessary.

I also don't like the distraction that using it is to DPSers and Tanks alike, especially if they are having trouble clicking on it due to hit box overlap. I would prefer they focus on their primary functions; and I'm speaking as a raid leader, a healer, a tank, and a dps (my main is a healer though).

If you can put lightwell to good use, then you can, and that is great. If you find it is too situational or too tricky to use, then it's just a waste, and you aren't wrong to feel that way about it.

[Ollin]

IMO, the "it's the healer's job to heal me" attitude you get from some DPS should be countered with a quick "there's your lightwell. Don't waste the charges".

It's not the healers' job to heal *you* specifically. There's an entire raid to worry about. The only person any specific healer should be worrying about is the tank.

IME the same people that say "it's not my job..." about anything are usually the people that drag the raid down in the long run. I don't care how big their numbers are if their attitude is that poor in general. You do what you need to do to make the raid succeed. That includes: sitting out on occasion, farming mats, buying pots, making sure you've got enough gold to pay for repairs, buying reagents and ammunition, and yes...clicking on the damn lolwell when a priest puts one down near you.

Besides which, lightwell's don't mesh well with melee true. However, it's less of a problem for ranged. Put all the melee in a group and let the ranged fend for themselves with a lolwell. They shouldn't generally be taking much incidental damage anyway. There are some fights where it's unavoidable but that's what the fall-off resistance is for on lightwell. If a tick of frozen blows is knocking off the lightwell buff, you need more HP.

Also, yes clicking on the well will make you lose your target and target the lightwell. I will bring up the age-old axiom however that a dead DPS does no damage.

[Maèl]

The "it's the healers job to keep me alive" thing has always made me go into enrage.
Everybody has only two roles to fulfill in a raid:
-DPS has to stay alive and do damage
-Tanks have to stay alive and keep aggro
-Healers have to stay alive and keep everybody up

Tanks who don't use their cooldowns will stop your progression. Dead. You will notice.
Dying healers will kill the tanks. You can't be a good healer and constantly die to the obvious stuff.

Yet DPS has detoriated to a major faceroll. Every time I hear the word "rotation" I assume I'm dealing with a player who can't react to changes of pace, will not pay attention and is a effing liability. No matter what amazing DEEPS you do, buddy, if you are heavy on my mana then you are on top of my triage list. I won't deliberately kill you but if I have the choice of keeping you up or a player who does less DEEPS and won't get caught in a deep breath then I'll let you do the pebble count for the very short sighted.
And when it comes to distributing loot I WILL list your transgressions.

If I had a soulstone and was OOM I would deliberately kill myself just to get a couple of seconds in Spirit of Redemption. That was when I still had that thing. I did it at level 60 on Onyxia, I did it on Leotheras. It did it whenever it was neccessary.
Now if I'm willing to shoulder double repair costs I can bloody well demand that you move out of the fricking fire!

But that is still no excuse for the awful execution of Lightwell on Blizz's side.

There. End of rant. I fell much better now, thank you.

[Rot]

When the guild I'm in raids, the priest usually drops a lightwell next to me during bosses(im the MT). I don't click it when my health is low, i click it to keep it high. If I use it to keep a rolling hot on myself it seems to make the healer's job a little easier, just a little click back and forth from the well to the boss and im g2g. I don't cast lightwells as I'm not a priest but, the priests we run with seem to be happy someone uses them, lol.

[Igrado]

Instead of placing Lightwell on the melee, why not place LW near the healers(/casters?) and advise them to use it to take care care of themselves. Instead of healing himself the Healer clicks the LW, and resumes healing.

[cubesis]

Some points about the mechanics of Lightwell(I dont think this has been mentioned yet)
*Lightwell can be used inbetween GCD's or during a cast/channel, so for ranged dps or healers at least, it shouldn't effect output at all. A Mage for example, could click LW during a cast and tab or click back to the boss before their cast goes off. They get a nice heal with 0 dps loss, plus they ease the burden on the healers.
*Lightwell is useable while stunned or CC'd. That can be useful on some boss fights(Faction champs comes to mind).
*I believe is has some sort of spam protection. I dont think any charges are consumed if the person clicking it already has lightwell renew on them(I could be wrong here, haven't tested this myself).

[Valalvax]

One guy cannot spam click it, but 10 guys can own a LW

[Amamaeth]

The only points I'll add is that lolwell's healing is, largely unnecessary. You have (or should have) healers designated to raid heal and those to tank heal. The virtue of the fact that you have this talent means you are a holy priest and should be designated to raid healing. The person getting healed by lolwell should be getting healed by someone else, specifically the priest. All the examples I've seen where "its great" I merely thought to myself, why isn't the priest using CoH or PoH? Where are the raid healers?

Another big problem is that healers may not be aware that someone even used the lolwell, resulting on that person being healed anyway and making the lolwell healing pure overheal.

[Caric]

Funny, I run into this problem at work too. "Well in theory it SHOULD work this way". In theory Lightwell is a nice concept, in practice it is worthless. Just because something SHOULD work, or should happen according to a master plan doesn't mean it does.

I raided on a priest back when Lolwell was our top tier talent. It was truly much worse back then and they have improved it. That being said, their improvements haven't made it functionally relevant and as such, are fail. I still have a bitter taste in my mouth from all their defense of this mechanic back when it was particularly relevant just how bad it was, when it meant holy priests effectively had no top tier talent. Now we have other talents above it and skipping past it is really no more of an issue than skipping past pvp talents in a build.

End of the day though, just because you want something to work doesn't mean it does.

p.s. On the bright side though, think of it this way ... the folks who are "a cut above" can use it and feel awesome and elite because they are tapping into a game mechanic that only the "upper crust" make use of. I on the other hand, will be hanging out with the other mouth breathers blissfully ignorant of the super awesomeness that I am missing by not having Failwell.

[Ollin]

Source: Clyde Lightwell rewards the wrong behavior. Mind you, a good raid, with a smart leader and perceptive healing staff can counteract that, even if it's just by verbally acknowledging the smart play of the guy that never needed healing. But most raids are not that raid. Lightwell isn't useless mechanically. It's useless socially. Which is sad, 'cause it's an interesting mechanic, quite different, and we need more of those. But I think that unless it is changed to be less interesting and different, it will continue to be under utilized.

Lightwell doesn't reward the wrong behavior. It rewards the right behavior.

It's retarded raid leaders that reward the bad behavior by not knowing enough to tell the difference.

Source: Goomba what's the break-even point of lightwell....by that I mean how many people have to use it for it to be mana-efficient I'm very curious about this because if its up, and only 3 people use it, but its already efficient (and easier cuz, as someone pointed out, having the heals constantly topped off is a great thing), then it starts to sound like a good talent again....dps might not be trainable, but most healers I run raids with are....

Lightwell more than breaks even compared to other spells if one person clicks on it and gets half the ticks. It's ridiculously mana efficient.

Source: Nicki Been meaning to post it but people do realise that if your dps can do 7k having 10 of them click a lightwell for 2 seconds~ does lose you 140k damage which may verywell make or break your 1% wipes while raid damage is perfectly healable without it. As ive said before its a tool for priests an unneeded tool on a class that is already not using some of the tools it does have because they are lackluster, Greater heal for holy and Renew for disc.

If 140k damage breaks your attempt at 1%, succeeding wouldn't have been skill. It would have been luck.

Usually, when things are that tight, it's because people died. Not because the DPS wasn't pushing enough.

Dead damage dealers deal zero deeps. If you can't spare TWO SECONDS to save your life, you're missing the point.

[Xianth]

I think part of the way to solve DPS ignoring it is to just discuss it an incorporate it into the strat of a fight and make a point of when to use it. I know it's not always going to be as effective as people using it themselve but if you keep repeating yourself people will get used to it and it will become their second nature to grab the lightwell in certain fight. For example, on our heroic twins fights we usually have one down in the middle and everytime a load of orbs gets through to the middle one of our healer will remind everyone to use the lightwell if they take a lot of damage from them. Heck, sometimes people even need to be reminded of a good time to use their healthstones so just making a point out of lightwell can get people in the habit of being proactive when using it.

[Norako]

I myself do not play a holy priest, but my room mate does, and he has often expressed the same frustrations with lightwell. He is now speced out of it because it never got any use (and frankly, it prolly never will). I'm not saying it isn't usefull, but the DPS has one mindset--kill everything as fast as possible with little reguard to their own life. (I realize that this isn't always true, but in my experience as a pally healer, generally it is). I've seen mages grab aggro, watch the mob run at them, and die without ever popping their Iceblock. Likewise, Ret paladins have died without a thought of using their bubble. This is due to the fact that DPS is such a competative job, and thats all some people have ever done, so they don't realize whats really going on with the rest of the party. I always encourage DPS to try there hand at healing and tanking (and vise-versa). That way they can better understand all the other aspects of a fight and actually improve the survivability of a raid. When a DPS knows the frustrations of a healer/tank, they become aware of when to slow up on DPS when they're about to pull aggro, or when to use a potion or LIGHTWELL. I realize this perfect world may never happen, but I still preach it. 'Till then it's something healers have to deal with. I'd suggest not to even put points into lightwell that can be better spent elsewhere (unless you've tained your DPS to use it).