[Delicatesse]

Stop this nonsense about PoM. PoM gives NO threat to ANYONE since LK. 100% sure. Yes, patch notes said it will give threat to the caster. Patch notes are sometimes flawed, just like some player made observations.

[AbolishStupid]

Source: mero12513 We have exactly 2 good healers and about 10 second-rate healers. Whenever healing fails, I post healing meters. Synge and Fulgurite are literally hundreds of thousands of heals ahead of everyone else. I simply toss up the meter and say "Do what they do." Things tend to fix themselves when you give people role models that simply don't make mistakes.

This is something that really is a common mistake. Healing meters are a horrid way to compare healers (unless they are the same class and are both assigned to the same task).

What I am trying to say is this; a healers such as say a Paladin or a Disc Priest will usually be assigned to a tank to heal. At the same time you cannot accuratly compare these two healers, even though they are assigned to the same task, because the way in which they heal is vastly different.

A Disc priest will prevent damage through sheilds, which will account for a good chunk of their "healing done" and will use quick heals on the tank to keep him up through unabsorbed damage.

A Paladin will use its superior single target healing to pump heals into the tank to keep him topped off at all times.

The problem when trying to compare the two is this; the sheilds put into place by the priest will lower the visible "Healing done" by everyone on the tank, but will have less of an affect on the priest's "Healing done" as its class, or rather its tree, is dessigned with absorbs in mind.

This is something that came into play last night on a one shot XT fight.

I was specced Disc for the fight since it is an excellent chance to pop out PW:S during the tantrums.

A Paladin and myself were both assigned to the main tank during the encounter and at the end of the fight I had "beaten" him on the healing meters by a fair bit, 4% or so.

When the Raid Leader talked to us in our healing channel he asked the Paladin why he was slacking on the healing meter on the fight, and what could be done in the future to help him. Both healers replied "Nothing should be done, though the meters may not show it, we both did our jobs almost perfectly."

This is exactly why healing meters are not the best way of getting at the truth. I suggest that if there is a large difference in Healing Done, you have a talk with the healers after or even during the raid, find out whats going on and see if there are any complaints. If there are then go about fixing them.

WWS is also a good way to get at the truth, take the time to use it and a larger picture will begin to form.

[Mwawka]

Once again agreeing with the above poster. Healing meters should not be used to assess the quality of your healers. It is simply one small tool in assessing how your healers are doing.

I will say once again that healing is about people not dying not about what your HPS or Total Healing done are. On some fights I am tops in healing on others I am not, it depends on what my role is in that fight. For example on Iron Council I am responsible for healing the OT and I do that job well. However, on Phase II he takes very little damage so at the end of the fight my overall healing is much less than the other two healers. It doesn't mean I was slacking, just means there is not as much healing for me to do. We tank the bosses far enough apart that I can't help out on the other tank, so I do my job and let the rest of the raid worry about doing there's.

Some of healing meters is class related. I am a druid and on most fights, I top my guilds healing meters, sometimes by a fairly large margin, but at the same time if I can't make a raid for some reason, the other healers do fine without me and their healing comes up on the meters. This is simply because my HoTs are always ticking and by the time the Priest or Pally gets their cast off, my HoTs have likely turned some of their heals into overheals. However, that healing of mine is probably not enough to top the tank off, so the other healers have likely been more valuable than I was in terms of keeping the tank alive, even if my HoTs have turned a portion of their healing into overheals. However, if the tank was really low, maybe my HoT's bought the other healers enough time to hit them with a big heal.

At the end of the day a good healing team doesn't care who does the most or who does the least, they care about success and if it is felt that we are having problems on a fight because of healing, we have no problem saying so and trying to fix that problem.

[Juon]

Source: Delicatesse Stop this nonsense about PoM. PoM gives NO threat to ANYONE since LK. 100% sure. Yes, patch notes said it will give threat to the caster. Patch notes are sometimes flawed, just like some player made observations.

I wish to further add the fact that precasting a heal generates zero threat, overhealing does zero threat and only ACTUAL healing done does threat. Funny how raidleaders do not know this.

[hvidgaard]

Source: Delicatesse Stop this nonsense about PoM. PoM gives NO threat to ANYONE since LK. 100% sure. Yes, patch notes said it will give threat to the caster. Patch notes are sometimes flawed, just like some player made observations.

While this made me go test if ES did or did not give threat to anyone, my conclution lead to something different. I find it somewhat frightening that my RT hots have pulled aggro so many times! What are my tanks doing?!

For the record, I could not find any evidence that ES produce any threat at all and I can only assume it's the same for PoM.

[Caly]

I've come to the same conclution. For example, pre-casting RT on the tank before the pull at Emalon. I see adds coming straight at me. Casting ES however, haven't gien me any unwanted adds on me.

[Fledern]

That's probably because your warrior tank is bloodraging for rage as he goes into the fight and doesnt have the glyph for it. Bloodrage consumes some minor health so if you have a HoT precast on him, the second he bloodrages (before he's started generating threat on boss), the heal gets you threat. ES however is reactive and procs on "attacks", ie not self-inflicted wounds

Tell your warrior tank to get the glyph that reduces health cost of bloodrage to zero & you should be fine.

On another note, i used to LOVE ProM, both as a tank and as a healer Give it back please. Free threat & heals? Oh yes

[Hit Me]

Another thing that may make it look like prehotting a tank is getting aggro is if the spell is cast in that small margin of time between when the tank enters combat and when he engages the mobs. That seems to happen a lot. You see the mobs aggro and then they run right past the tank and after the healer before the tank had a chance to get anything other than proximity or social aggro on the pack.

[Malatank]

Source: mero12513 We have exactly 2 good healers and about 10 second-rate healers. Whenever healing fails, I post healing meters. Synge and Fulgurite are literally hundreds of thousands of heals ahead of everyone else. I simply toss up the meter and say "Do what they do." Things tend to fix themselves when you give people role models that simply don't make mistakes.

If you have a Disc Priest in your raid, be sure to put the Recount mod that counts PW:S absorption. If you don't you'll make him/her feel cheated.

I HATE Healing Done counts because of that. So much for being kicked of raids just knowing I'm one of the highest "Healing Done" folks considering PW:S absorption.

As a Priest, I can make tank's life easier with aggro using Fade. If, for some reason, I pull aggro, I just use it and the tank has enough time to pull it back. =)

[Theotherone]

Maybe it's just my disposition, but I don't go after healers and any tank who does is not helping the cause. It's a game and since we all PuG from time to time it benefits everyone to help other players get better. For example, if you die when pulling the adds on Emalon, are you better off berating the healer or just telling them "spam heals, cause I'm getting hit by 4 adds and the boss on the pull". My observation is that the most vocal attackers of the healers are the idot dps'ers who love to pick their own target - they who march to a different drummer and can't understand why they're getting one shotted.

[qygibo]

Source: Malatank If you have a Disc Priest in your raid, be sure to put the Recount mod that counts PW:S absorption. If you don't you'll make him/her feel cheated. I HATE Healing Done counts because of that. So much for being kicked of raids just knowing I'm one of the highest "Healing Done" folks considering PW:S absorption. As a Priest, I can make tank's life easier with aggro using Fade. If, for some reason, I pull aggro, I just use it and the tank has enough time to pull it back. =)

If you're able to, sometimes not being in the group and having another healer in your spot could convince them. Sometimes I'm the lowest of the healers in 10 man Ulduar, but I was able to show what I can actually do recently when I opted to step out of the raid recently to let other healers in to get gear.. and the end result was that while the bosses were downed, people noted that it didn't seem as smooth and that they definitely noticed my absence. Sometimes it's not necessarily what you do on the healing meters but what you provide support wise to the group that can be missed.

[hvidgaard]

Source: qygibo If you're able to, sometimes not being in the group and having another healer in your spot could convince them. Sometimes I'm the lowest of the healers in 10 man Ulduar, but I was able to show what I can actually do recently when I opted to step out of the raid recently to let other healers in to get gear.. and the end result was that while the bosses were downed, people noted that it didn't seem as smooth and that they definitely noticed my absence. Sometimes it's not necessarily what you do on the healing meters but what you provide support wise to the group that can be missed.

Don't forget that healing is a group effort, replacing you with someone else will change the dynamics and if the healer group can't re-adjust then it'll be for the worse - even if the healer replacing you are the best in the world.

[Smokiez]

I am sure glad that my wife who sits next to me as we raid is my pocket healer (She is holy priest and I am MT/OT depending on the encounter)

After reading all this, I feel that our guild is lucky to have someone like us, because we are able to constantly communicate with each other to keep each other alive.

[LadyFirehawk]

Healer burnout mid-BC is why I ultimately went Prot instead and learned how to tank. Haven't looked back since, in spite of the fact that tanking has definitely brought its own frustrations with it. I do think it's given me a better eye for good healers versus fail healers, though, and I've made a habit of asking them for advice. (ie, "whoa, you're taking WAY too much damage, I can't keep up!" from Naxx-geared healers in the middle of a heroic.)

That said, I have a very low BS tolerance for ANYONE, healers included. I've booted one Ulduar-geared healer from a heroic because she was getting all high and mighty about how much raid experience she had compared to everyone else in the group. (Mostly guildies.) Well, excuuuuuse me, princess!