[Ciderhelm]

Recommended Minimums (Buffed)

Tier          EH        Avoidance    Zones
3.5  _______  26,600    35%          Early Heroics such as Mechanar.
                                      485 Defense Skill recommended. (or 5.4% crit reduction)

4.0  _______  32,100    35%          Advanced Heroics, Karazhan before
                                      Prince/Nightbane, High King
                                      Maulgar, Doomwalker, Kazzak.
                                      490 Defense Skill required.(or 5.6% crit reduction)

4.5  _______  37,700    40%          Prince, Nightbane, Gruul,
                                      Magtheridon.

5.0  _______  43,200    45%          Zul'aman, Tempest Keep,
                                      Serpentshrine before Morogrim,
                                      Vashj, Karathress.

5.5  _______  48,800    50%          Morogrim, Karathress, Vashj,
                                      Black Temple before Gorefiend,
                                      Mount Hyjal before Azgalor.

6.0  _______  54,300    55%          Mount Hyjal, Black Temple before
                                      Illidan.

6.5  _______  59,900    60%          Illidan, beginning Sunwell.

The above are Effective Health and Avoidance recommended minimums. This is accurate under the following conditions:

• You are a main tank or are regularly tanking the hardest physical damage encounters;
• You are with a raiding group with equivalent gear;
• You will continue to gain gear regularly as you progress through the zones;
• You are a Warrior or Paladin.

To check your Effective Health and Avoidance, use the TankSpot Calculator.


Additional Notes
This calculator assumes you are inputting buffed values. This was chosen to reduce overall confusion and to allow tanks to input unbuffed values to determine when they can safely stop using consumables on old content. If you meet the Effective Health recommendations unbuffed, use consumables to increase Avoidance or Threat.

It is possible to complete many encounters before reaching those minimums; in the event you do this due to rapid progression, focus more on Effective Health than Avoidance if the gear choice is available. Effective Health theory is designed to help rapidly progressing tanks who do not have gear capable of matching the content. A substantially larger Effective Health can in many -- but not all -- circumstances overcome a substantial Avoidance disparity.

If you are an off-tank or are evaluating an off-tank for guild recruitment purposes, evaluate the tank based off one tier below current progression. However, keep in mind that these are minimums and are not necessarily the sign of a skilled or ideally geared tank.

When you reach the Effective Health minimum, and so long as you are prepared for the next tier, it can be significantly more effective to stack Dodge and Defense, particularly for bosses that favor Avoidance such as Prince and Morogrim.

Please note that Avoidance recommendations are a combination of Dodge, Parry, and Chance to be Missed. Chance to be missed is determined by hovering over your Defense stat in the in-game Character pane and adding 5% to that number for your base chance.

Be aware of strategies that call for specific gearing, such as raw Health and Resistance for Hydross and Kael'thas or Shield Block Value for Essence of Souls. Magic damage encounters are not calculated through Effective Health, which strictly covers physical damage encounters. In cases where you are dealing with Resistances, 365 Resistance is the maximum effective amount.

Finally -- you may find that you reach minimums significantly beyond your current progression when fully buffed. Don't be surprised. Prior to Sunwell, Burning Crusade has relatively light Effective Health requirements and the later gearing process reflects this. You'd be surprised where T4 quality gear and T5 quality badge/10-man gear can get you. Just keep in mind that it is highly recommended that you focus on Avoidance stats and meet those minimums as well if you're well past the Effective Health minimums for future content.

[Heartwood]

Great info! Could you add headers to the actual data frame for easier reading? (ie. Move 'Tier' above the tier# and "Effective Health" and "Avoidance" above their respective columns).

Keep up the great work!
Heartwood

Edit: Thanks! Looks spiffy now <G>

[Kazeyonoma]

I r Ninja hiz post, /runs and hides.

[bosephus]

Very cool!

[kikamookow]

some nice figures there

all you have to do is find some healers and dps... that can support you through it :P

[Gehn]

Thank you, Ciderhelm.

And thank you to the whole community.

[Kreya]

Out of curiousity, do those numbers translate directly for Duids? I would guess crushing blows would make at least the EH requirement higher.

Thanks for the work -- it's nice to see that I'm almost ready for Illidan!

[KAOSFAYT]

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[Dubbleutyeff]

Source: KOASFAYT Well i wanted to use the chance in this thread to ask if my gear is ready to switch to fury. i currently use 2h 33/28 MS imp slam rotation, but my lead warrior is on my ass to max my DPS so i will oblige ASAP but i need to know if its wise to switch at this gear status or push harder with my current build then switch with my better gear Oh yea im currently in Battle stance or my crit would be 3% higher

Those numbers above are tanking stats, you might want to try asking in this forum:

Damage Per Second Discussion - TankSpot

[KAOSFAYT]

Source: Dubbleutyeff Those numbers above are tanking stats, you might want to try asking in this forum: Damage Per Second Discussion - TankSpot

your right thanks

[Thundershoof]

Very nice. I've been looking for something like this.

I'd like to suggest you add a link to this on the EH calculator's page to make it simpler to find.

It'd be nice to have the tier rating incorporated into the calculator itself as well. It's an awesome resource.

[Kahmal]

This is rather confusing...I basically ball parked my stats, around 21k health and 17k armor fully buffed giving me 57844.67 Effective Health.

So your telling me that a tank just entering SSC 3/6 already has enough EH to Clear Hyjal and BT? Not sure what my fully buffed avoidance but its 42% unbuffed as of now. I really dont feel like getting laughed at by my fellow tanks when they see me with Dodge Gems.

And if I was to start gearing more towards avoidance which gems? Defense seems to scale slow, Parry can trigger enemy parries, so just dodge?

And I my guild is progressing quite fast, through SSC. I never quite understood the concept of why stacking health is so much better on quick progression when you guys are currently stating that I should have more avoidance to maxamize survival, doesn't seem like my healers have problems keeping me up.

[Kazeyonoma]

You're misreading the concept of EH.

Stacking EH during progression fights are for when your tanks, healers, and potentially the WHOLE raid, is undergeared for the fight you are going up against. EH stacking in this scenario guys your raid and healers time to learn fights, keep you up, and down bosses that otherwise wouldn't have been attemptable. Currently if you're guild is in SSC, and has been there for a while now, and your entire guild has been collecting Badges of Justice and has gear from that. They already overgear the place. It's part of why YOU yourself are overgeared for the zone. Should you resocket? Probably not, this is costly, instead, find peices of avoidance gear, that are good, socket THOSE with avoidance gems (defense or dodge, since defense is only a slight smidge below dodge in terms of avoidance gained), and swap it in and out of your standard set as you need.

[Kahmal]

Source: Kazeyonoma You're misreading the concept of EH. Stacking EH during progression fights are for when your tanks, healers, and potentially the WHOLE raid, is undergeared for the fight you are going up against. EH stacking in this scenario guys your raid and healers time to learn fights, keep you up, and down bosses that otherwise wouldn't have been attemptable. Currently if you're guild is in SSC, and has been there for a while now, and your entire guild has been collecting Badges of Justice and has gear from that. They already overgear the place. It's part of why YOU yourself are overgeared for the zone. Should you resocket? Probably not, this is costly, instead, find peices of avoidance gear, that are good, socket THOSE with avoidance gems (defense or dodge, since defense is only a slight smidge below dodge in terms of avoidance gained), and swap it in and out of your standard set as you need.

With all do respect if stacking stam has been working with undergeared healers, why waste resources to change it just because they are now geared? Does it really increase your life span THAT much?

[Aelvain]

Source: Kahmal This is rather confusing...I basically ball parked my stats, around 21k health and 17k armor fully buffed giving me 57844.67 Effective Health. So your telling me that a tank just entering SSC 3/6 already has enough EH to Clear Hyjal and BT?

Yep. I've cleared MH/BT and 3/6 Sunwell with ~57,500 EH (with over 75% avoidance) and with little problem, you're good to go. :P

[cyberryu]

In Sunwell Plateau, enemies have a hidden buff of +5%hit and -20% attacks to be dodged. According to the above table, we'll have an avoidance of 35% effectively. Should I stack more avoidance? even at the expense of EH?

Pls advise, Thks.

[Potty]

Its harsh when gear is not dropping for the MT though, namely me :-(.

and your right adjusting your gems to experiment to raise your avoidance is expensive

[Kahmal]

Ok so I forgot to take the +5% with the 6% from defense (I think thats right)

So I already have enough avoidance (rougly 50%) But my EH is still skyrocketing past these apparent miniums. But at the same time I'm already soft capped on Expertise, so should I stack hit or something now for my boss tanking set? 58 hit rating seems like a decent number with the gear I have access to right now.

Still confused and skeptical...The World of Warcraft Armory (sig doesn't update)

regardless I'm going to talk with my guilds Healing Coordinator.

[Bodasafa]

Ok heres the math for me:

Unbuffed:
Health- 15,814
Armor- 16,999
SBV- 564
--------------
Miss- 5.88%
Dodge- 17.54%
Parry 17.15%
Base Miss Rate of Most NPC's- 5.00%
Total Avoidance = 45.57%
---------------
Effective Health = 44,057.28

-This means Unbuffed I am minimally up to par for:
5.0 _______ 43,200 45% Zul'aman, Tempest Keep, Serpentshrine before Morogrim, Vashj, Karathress.


Buffed:
Flask of Fortification
Priest Fort
Pally Kings
Druid Gift of the Wild
+30 stam food
Commanding Shout
Devotion Aura
------------------
Health- 20,274
Armor- 17,524
SBV- 564
--------------
Miss- 6.04%
Dodge- 18.79&
Parry- 17.31%
Base Miss Rate of Most NPC's- 5.00%
Total Avoidance = 48.62%
---------------
Effective Health = 57,078.00

-This means that Buffed I am minimally up to par for:
6.0 _______ 54,300 *55%* Mount Hyjal, Black Temple before Illidan.

*I would need to rasie my avoidance by 6.38%. Wich I belive I can with a few swap outs and still remain well above the 54,300 EH Benchmark.

If this is correct Im ready to tank anything but Illidan and Sunwell.

Right now I am MT for almost all fights and we have Kara/Gruul/Lurker on Farm. And have kills on Mag/Hydross/Void Reaver. We are focusing on SSC this month and just attempted Leo last night 80%. Lots of learning to be done.

I guess im in the catagory for the content im tanking to be getting more avoidance peices, yes?

Mabye I should start looking at the Teir Peices as avoidance sets?
The only ones I have are T4 Helm and T4 Shoulders but I use them as my main EH peices.

[KAOSFAYT]

i want to post my prot and check my EH and all but im having trouble calculating my SBV if some one could help me i could really use it. Thanks


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Block Value: Everything you ever wanted to know - Warriors - TankingTips.com

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