[HerAnt]

Hello there.
I'm Raiding as a retri paladin pretty much alot and learned alot about my class during this time with my guild, and got to tell ya that retri paladins are really addicted to good gear and high stats before they can even climb on top 5 dps list with other class which can improve their dps with rotation and stuff.

Anyway i am doin about 5k dps in 25 man and bout 4k in 10man, well thats ok but the thing that really confusing me is that 2 other guys which are retri too in my guild with worse gear than me and they are doing as high dps as me or sometimes even better, and i am confused! I checked their talents, glyphs, rotations and it still doesn't make any sence cause their stats are lower than mine..btw i am pretty much facerolling since i tried other rotations and didn't noticed that much difference. Well thats why i'm woundering if there any chance of that my char can be bugged or something? never heard of it really so might be a dumb question but.
this is my char:WoW Heroes - World of Warcraft PvE character info & ratings
Well hope to hear some helpfull feedback from u guys!

[Akeber]

First thing, your gemming is wrong. Forget socket bonuses. Every socket should have red strength gems, except one nightmare tear (in a place that will get you a strength socket bonus if possible) to match your meta. And your meta should be the +21 agil and +3% crit, because it only requires that you use one non-red gem to activate.

Your glyphs are off as well. Glyph of consecrate helps with clash resolution and conserves mana. The SoR glyph is mostly useless since you should be using SoV most of the time. The SoV glyph would give you 10 expertice skill which would put you over the dodge cap, but you're well under it now. The only time you want to use SoR is when you have to switch targets very often and there is no time to build up a five stack of vengeance.

The ret thread on EJ has all the info you need:
Retribution: 3.2 - Elitist Jerks

Also, there is only one "rotation", and it's not really a rotation but a FCFS priority system. Someone even made a mod to tell you which button to press next if you really want to make it easy:
Ret FCFS Rotation Helper - Elitist Jerks

[HerAnt]

ah i see, well gonna try to replace my gems and glyph and try out this, thanks for helping so far

[spikebebop]

Actually, according to EJ and the spreadsheets I've looked at, any yellow socket bonuses of +4 or more strength should be Inscribed Ametrine gems (10 str 10 crit) with 2+ pieces of t9 because the first set bonus adds something like 5% dps increased by crit. So your head should have that gem, because assuming you put the 34 str in another socket you would be gemming 10 str 10 crit to get an 8 str socket bonus, in other words losing 2 str for 10 crit when comparing the orange gem to a 20 str red one.

Don't worry about switching the belt gem, at +4 str as a socket bonus using the 10 str 10 crit gem over a 20 str is like a 2 dps theoretical upgrade, not worth the trouble.

Fix the glove gem (I'm sure you're working on it considering you've fixed everything else).

Change the purple gem in your chest to a nightmare tear, you still get the socket bonus and 10 of all stats is better than 10 str 15 stam.

Other than that, good job fixing everything, I looked at the before and after and you've made strides. Hopefully you can upgrade the boots and bracers soon since those are your only weak links .

O and maybe get DMC: Greatness over the expertise trinket since it's like 3rd BiS overall, behind the 2 death's choices.

Cheers!

[HerAnt]

Ah great mate!
I've been thinking alot about those with set bonuses, but did some job on it and even leveled my jc so could get those imba 34strg gems which is really huge upgrade when i swaped em out with crit/stam gems. I can really feel the differend during raid both with changes i made on my gear and rotations addon which i use when i can get my eyes off other things :P.
But still i'm a bit confused when i see few palas with none capped expertise and lower gear quality does insane dps. Maybe that because i got too much haste? since i gotto use slowest weapon, and it kinda afflict my weapon speed that way?
Thanks alot for replying and helping me out guys

[Legionodeath]

I don't play a ret pally, mines lvl 27. :-) I do know that no rotation addon will ever be as effective as a real player. Someone who knows the priority and how works not just the given list of attacks to do and in what order.

Knowing and understanding is where the line is drawn between 'good' players and 'oh damn!' players.

I'd recommend studying everything you can about your class and spec/glyphs until you know it inside and out. Understanding the little things will help with the bigger things.

-LoD

[HerAnt]

i agree on that mate, cause its better to use brain and eyes to use the right spells than following addon which tells u what to do and when. But after a while i'm starting to remember rotation in my head with prios which will come first etc and thats a good thing cause the eyes should be on the boss and not on the addon But the prob is that in theory i can clearly see that i suppose to do more dps than i'm doing atm, and i'm happy with it until i see some 1 with lower gear who's out dpsing me. And yeah those might be "Damn good players" but i'm really trying to learn how to become one

[spikebebop]

As far as lower players out dps'ing look at your recount/skada and check out their damage percentages. If say on a fight like Anub in toc they're dealing something like 15% damage to adds and 80% or so to the boss (with 5% on the little guys between submerges) and you're dealing 5% to the adds and 90% to the boss, their dps will be higher because of more cleave damage. Also, if on fights like Jaraxxus you get legion flames once or twice, every time you run away from the boss, your dots still tick, so you're still dealing damage and thus dps'ing, but you aren't dps'ing hard like when you're on the boss, so your overall dps will go down because of it.

As for being expertise capped, it's good but it's not the bees knees, if you can get there do it, but generally go ahead and use something like rawr to analyze your best potential dps with regards to gear choices. I recently got an upgrade that put me at 23 expertise without SoV glyph, and it's actually theoretically more dps to use the exorcism glyph now and be below the cap than it is to use the SoV glyph and be capped. On the flip side, before that upgrade I was at 16 expertise without SoV glyph, and it was a huge downgrade to use the exorcism glyph cuz I was so far off of the cap. There isn't quite such a hard and fast rule for expertise as there is for hit, so just be pragmatic.

Also, your problem isn't because you have too much haste, haste affects your attack speed, not your actual weapon speed, which is what is used to calculate your damage for attacks like crusader's strike. The only thing that matters is what it says on the weapon, not what your attack speed in your stats menu is. Though there are better stats than haste, it certainly doesn't hurt you.

Likely the biggest reason you're being outdps'ed is because you aren't perfect at your rotation, which it sounds like you understand, but you're working at it and that's all you can do really, just keep getting better. Smashing keys is harder than it seems. Also, make sure you understand when to burst and when to sustain, on a heroic Jaraxxus nether portal/infernal volcano exorcism is higher priority than consecration because by the time you get to consecration in your rotation it won't be ticking for 10 seconds, so exorcism will deal more overall damage and more dps because of how quickly the portals/volcanoes die. Whereas on Jaraxxus himself, even though exorcism will always crit, don't be fooled, consecration is still more dps.

Another thing you should make sure of is that you're switching seals. On the whelp phase in onyxia it's basically poop to use SoV, switch to SoC if you don't already because of the added cleave and less ramp time.

Finally, don't get discouraged, the people who are outdps'ing you could be those 'oh damn' players, and there's nothing wrong with that, just keep working. And also, look at not only dps but overall damage done for a given fight, the people beating you on dps may be doing so because they aren't killing adds between submerges on anub, which lowers your dps but increases your overall damage done. If you're dealing more damage even at lower dps, it generally means you're doing your job better than they are. The objective is to kill stuff and stay alive, not necessarily to top the meter.

[HerAnt]

I can clearly see my self improved, after i' m being prio more important stuff which helped a lot to increase my dps and doing a lot more helpful job for my raid. Thanks a lot for helping me out guys i really appreciate it!
Cheers!