[Kazeyonoma]

18 with weapon mastery 2/2
22 with weapon mastery 1/2
26 with weapon mastery 0/2

the math is simple.

you need 6.5% dodge reduction
weapon master gives 1% dodge reduction each point, so 2/2 is -2% dodge chance
that's 4.5% still needed removed
every point of expertise is .25% dodge/parry removed
4.5 / .25 = 18

[Ship]

Just checked into curse.com to see if there was any useful addons. Found Strongarms. Have anyone tried it? Is it good? Does it help with the rotation/CD/Procs?

Shiz mentioned some useful addons in the guide. Maybe this one will help as it is designed for Arms Warrior.
Looking on the priority and comparing to the input in the guide, I believe this addon to be spot on.
Will try it out as soon as my game computer arrive.



Copying the description from curse:

StrongArms provides timers for Arms Warriors, and a handy priority icon (lets you know which ability you should use next to maximise DPS output).

Note: This addon is very new, and in active development. Expect regular updates.

Timers
Helps you keep up buffs/debuffs, also lets you know if those debuffs are up in some form from another player:
- Armor (Major) (i.e. Sunder)
- Attack Power (i.e. Battle Shout)
- HP Buff (i.e. Commanding Shout)
- Attack Speed Slow (i.e. Thunder Clap)
- Attack Power Debuff (i.e. Demoralising Shout)
------------
Priority
Lets you know which ability to use next to maximise your DPS output:
#1 Keep rend up
#2 Overpower (if Taste for Blood is about to refresh)
#3 Execute (if Sudden Death is about to expire)
#4 Bladestorm (if Taste for Blood is NOT up, and rend has more than 6 seconds remaining)
#5 Mortal Strike
#6 Execute
#7 Overpower
#8 Slam at >40 rage
Bloodrage at low rage
Heroic Strike if >75 rage

[Destruyen]

i use basically the same thing but with power auras. still requires some thinking, where you have to prioritize tfb/sd procs above ms if they are about to expire.

bladestorm on cd
hs over 80 rage
rend not on target
ms available
sudden death available and over 30 rage
overpower on tfb procs
slam over 40 rage

i use auracle to track debuffs on target (sunders, tclap, demo shout, faerie fire, and curses)

[Muffin Man]

I tried StrongArms when 3.1 came out. I used it for 1 day for a variety of reasons.

1. the UI covered up way too much of my screen and I couldn't find a way to fix it (hopefully fixed by now)

2. I didn't actually agree with the rotation they coded (too much bladestorm, but again this could have been tweaked by now)

3. It didn't actually teach me how to manage my rotation because it would pop the next move regardless of my rage situation (sure that's my fault but it just got distracting to me). Also, if you had to skip something like slam via rage starvation, strong arms was sometimes slow to update (probably not a problem in 25 man raids, also could have been fixed by now).

But overall, it just didn't seem like it was really helping me. Myabe it was just a bad first impression, or personal bias since I've always preferred to run the rotation myself and I just didn't need the 'visual noise'.

[omegadom]

ok im level 72 right now and i think somethings wrong with my gear or spec i have no idea i mean i dont think im DPS'ing as much as i should and my "rotation" is basically charge-rend-mortal strike-slam-and overpower whenever i can
please help:
my armory----
The World of Warcraft Armory

[Ship]

Source: omegadom ok im level 72 right now and i think somethings wrong with my gear or spec i have no idea i mean i dont think im DPS'ing as much as i should and my "rotation" is basically charge-rend-mortal strike-slam-and overpower whenever i can please help: my armory---- The World of Warcraft Armory

Why worry. It does not matter for you now. The only thing that matters for you is to level. Until lvl 80 you do not need to consider DPS very much. Sure you might do some instances where it would be nice to perform better, but it does not matter very much. Don't spend gold to get the best gear for your current level, it is just waste of precious gold. Save the gold and work as fast as possible to get to lvl 80. If you get better green drops on the way, fine but don't buy anything.
80 is when you need to start thinking, planning, buying and so on.

Also keep in mind, when Blizz introduces Southrend and/or Inland and takes us 80-90 and 90-100, all that has been done so far will be worthless and we will need to do it all over again.

[jarussi]

a little out of the usual raid situations ..

if you dont have a warrior tank, you guys stack sunder armor on the boss and keep it up? I'm the only warrior in my guild on the 10 man runs, and I've seem that even my dps is lower, the raid dps increased a little .. if you do it? when is the best time?

I try to use it when I should be using slam and the sunder armor time on the boss is wearing off


what about Reckneless (or whatever the name is) - is that worth using on Bloodlust or for a DPS gain?

Bladestorm is a dps gain even on a single target? because in flights like Razorscale I use it on the mobs, not the boss when it reachs the grouns

tkz again for all the answers!! reall great topic!

[hola_adios]

So I am stuck at 2.4k dps on dummies and 3.3-3.4k dps on raids.


Rotation: Rend - MS - Slam -Slam - OP - Let rend fall - All again. And if SD procs it is 1st on priority

After reading all the thread I am a bit in doubt. I tried the rotation suggested on the first page. And it made a bit of difference on dummies, but it was worst than the one shown above during raids.

Any suggestions regarding gear/gems/rotation?

Thanks in advance.

Edit. Do not wish anyone to look at my armory (removed), was just to put things into contest. And I have tried the rotation on the first page. It just has not provided such good outcome has to what I just posted (small tweak, when rage over 75 HS+slam)

[Kazeyonoma]

@jarussi yes, i am often the only warrior and occasionally we'll have 2 warriors but neither are tanks. When that happens and I'm dps'ing I am responsible for sunder debuff, it lowers my dps a bit but it's worth it for everyoen INCLUDING myself, my dps would be much lower if i didn't sunder than if i did and kept my regular rotation. recklessness is still useful but you'd have to find a low rage point in your rotation to do it because losing all that rage is probably counter helpful. Bladestorm is a dps gain only if your other abilities are on cd (no execute procs, tfb/overpower isn't coming for another 3 seconds or so, MS is on cd) then go ahead and Bladestorm, you're gonna be firing off weapon damage (whirlwind damage) every 1 second, AND your regular white hit damage through it (make sure you target your target and are in range!) but no it's not worth it to BS if you're making good with execute procs. I've gone through entire fights without firing off bladestorm because I just kept getting sudden death!

@hola_adios how can that be your rotation and yet you're posting in this thread.

The very first post of this thread details the EXACT priority list you should have. You might be missing procs if it's worse in raids (too much spam going on possibly?)

1) Rend (let it fall off before refreshing)
2) Execute (Sudden death procs)
3) Overpower (TfB procs)
4) MS
5) Slam when nothing else.

If you need someone to look at your armory I suggest you make a new thread in the HALP! (not here in the dps forums... i'll slap you if you do it... seriously..) forums and see if people can provide more feedback.

[Dubzil]

Actually I believe your rotation list is a little tweaked Kazey, you want to have MS as priority over everything since its on a set CD, you will always be able to hit it every 5 sec; you will be able to get OP and SD off afterwards to be able to hit something (Preferably not Slam) every GCD

[Kazeyonoma]

hrm.

I'll try it out Dub, I guess I'm still going by info from the old thread that ebs2000 put up where MS was less efficient then the others, but he did mention a breaking point in which MS would be rage efficient given the right stats, and at the time he did the spreadsheet we were all level 70.

So it should now be
1) Rend
2) MS (if you're not gonna lose an Execute or TfB proc)
3) Execute
4) Overpower
5) Bladestorm
6) Slam ?

I'll test it on the dummy tonight, using my older rotation (albeit not that much off) got me a steady 3.4k dps on the boss dummy for a 3 minute duration (basically started the fight with bshout and sunders up, reset the recount and started it up. (i had to refresh sunders too so it's a bit lower than I would expect in raids, but I do keep up sunders a lot in raids too).

Lets see if this'll bring me up a few 100 dps =] Thanks dub.

[Gorca]

@Hola,
1- No improved overpower!?
2- Chaotic Skyflare for meta
3- Powerful stats on cloak
4- Purchase Greatness card/ Titanium impact band
5- Get rid of the haste gear when you can
Hope this helps a little.
Cheers,
Gorca

edit: oops, sorry Kaz! /ducks incoming slap

[Khilbron]

The biggest thing I see is the incorrect prioritization of TfB proc's. TfB has a 9s duration, and cannot proc more than once every 6 seconds. The Cooldown for the proc starts over as soon as it proc's not as soon as you use overpower, so you can maximize skillusage by continuing your rotation until there are 4-5 seconds left on the TfB buff duration, at which point you will want to Overpower, almost immediately TfB will re-proc and repeat. So essentially its
1.Charge
2.Rend
3.MS
4.Bladestorm
5.TfB proc(storming)
6.still storming(8s left on proc)
7.still storming(7s left on proc)
8.storming(5s left)
9.storming(4s left on proc)
9.5.storm is almost over start popping OP
10. Storm Ends Op immediately hits, TfB reprocs
11. Execute
12. MS
13. Slam
14. Slam
15. OP
16. TfB reprocs, Execute
and so on

[Dubzil]

I don't see how its incorrect in the priority list then, Bladestorm isn't high on the priority list because it is not used as a priority, it is used for when there are adds, or when you need rage. Your situation only shows use of OP with Bladestorm, which is once every 1.5 mins, which who knows where you will be at in your rotation when you do actually use it.

[Dubzil]

You are making assuptions with the RNG with your rotation list there.

If you are running in and hitting bladestorm right away you may be doing something wrong unless there are adds to begin with (hodir) and there is no need to rend anything at that point.

The main thing you want to make sure to do when using bladestorm is have rend ticking, hit MS first and queue up HS, then hit bladestorm (you should use this when you are low on rage as it will end you with a Sudden Death, Overpower, and Full rage bar.

[Khilbron]

I wasnt giving an exact rotation to go with, i was merely pointing out that most rotation discussions and usage charts put TfB every 3 seconds when its not possbile, because the proc has 6s icd, the opening with bladestorm isnt overly bad because while storming you still generate whites, once its done, you have a full to near full rage bar to continue with your standardized rotation. Im merely stating that if TfB proc's you can utilize a MS, Execute, Slam(s), or bladestorm before using OP to maximize your GCD usage, since the next proc is not based on when you used the OP, but when the proc initially happened. Also holding your BS till your low on rage can lower your overall DPS since as mentioned before still generate whites during its usage, now using it while at full rage isnt the best situation, waiting till you have low rage isnt ideal either. Imo if BS is available, use your GCD's, use your proc's, queue up HS and storm.

[Kahmal]

I know post patch many people weren't to sure on how to maximize DPS under 20%, but with the Execute change should we just Execute spam?

I was doing that before but then I realize that I can get 3 non crits in a row so I use OP when its up also since its almost a guarunteed crit. And does Bladestorm still hold priority if its up?

[Destruyen]

with the execute change, i still do the same thing. i keep rend up, ms on cd, overpower on tfb procs, and execute if nothing else. the only difference between then and now is i dont have to wait until right before a white swing to execute. i just hit execute until something pops back up.

[Lizana]

Source: Kahmal And does Bladestorm still hold priority if its up?

Bladestorm never held priority unless you were dealing with a group of mobs....

As far as execute goes, under 20% it is best to follow normal rotation replacing all slams with execute

[Destruyen]

i save bladestorm when there's going to be adds/kolo having both arms up/breaking out frozen ppl/trash and at the start of hard burn phases and bloodlust. it gives you 7 attacks in 6 seconds that doesnt hit quite as hard as a ms/execute crit, but will probably give you more dps for those 6 seconds than doing your rotation since that's limited by the 1.5 sec gcd/latency and bladestorm's attacks aren't.